Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part II

[Wtp99]

For those hate on Rick Nash like myself he at least had an excuse to play scared and even him was still a softee.

To bad he does have early Lindros in him, especially since he has the size

 

[RangersFan1994]

To bad he does have early Lindros in him, especially since he has the size

Nash never had that mean streak, physicality, passion and aggressiveness that Lindros had. Lindros was one of a kind. Sadly he had drama and injuries not a great combination.

Nash’s best time he showed any emotion, grit, mean streak or passion was this




Softer than butter as a Ranger.

 

[smoneil]

True, but the Carolina Hurricanes also know how to develop them. It's more than just giving a kid 18 minutes a night. The Hurricanes organization is pumping out good players left and right, have a good sense of what these kids need (off the ice) and it shows.

It isn't rocket science. If you want a young player to develop, they need minutes. Those minutes don't have to be at the NHL level (and most aren't really ready for NHL hockey on D+1 or 2). They need to play in a lower stakes environment, where they and the coaching staff can identify problems in their game and then work on ironing them out without the fear that one mistake will lead to a benching. Once the flaws ARE ironed out, they need those minutes to turn the new, better play into "muscle memory" play--instinct and reflex. Watch Laf, Chytil, Howden before that, Kakko in certain areas of the ice--they are all thinking too much or rushing the play. Kids need minutes. We tend to rush every forward prospect with even a hint of top six ability. And then they get stuck in bottom 6 roles, limited to no time on special teams (which itself throws off the rhythm of the minutes they DO get). Look at who our best developed forwards have been over the last several years. Stepan? Callahan? Dubinsky? Anisimov? All guys that played extensive minutes in the minors before establishing themselves here. We rushed Del Zotto. Didn't work out so well. Outside top top guys, and even then, not ALL top 3 draft picks can make the immediate jump, your kids need minutes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It isn't rocket science. If you want a young player to develop, they need minutes. Those minutes don't have to be at the NHL level (and most aren't really ready for NHL hockey on D+1 or 2). They need to play in a lower stakes environment, where they and the coaching staff can identify problems in their game and then work on ironing them out without the fear that one mistake will lead to a benching. Once the flaws ARE ironed out, they need those minutes to turn the new, better play into "muscle memory" play--instinct and reflex. Watch Laf, Chytil, Howden before that, Kakko in certain areas of the ice--they are all thinking too much or rushing the play. Kids need minutes. We tend to rush every forward prospect with even a hint of top six ability. And then they get stuck in bottom 6 roles, limited to no time on special teams (which itself throws off the rhythm of the minutes they DO get). Look at who our best developed forwards have been over the last several years. Stepan? Callahan? Dubinsky? Anisimov? All guys that played extensive minutes in the minors before establishing themselves here. We rushed Del Zotto. Didn't work out so well. Outside top top guys, and even then, not ALL top 3 draft picks can make the immediate jump, your kids need minutes.

Stepan never spent a day in the minors. The others, sure. But it's about more than just big minutes. I never said that wasn't important, just that it's not the only thing.

 

[smoneil]

Stepan never spent a day in the minors. The others, sure. But it's about more than just big minutes. I never said that wasn't important, just that it's not the only thing.

Stepan played 81 games across two seasons at Wisconsin in his draft +1 and 2 years, playing in all situations and working on his game. Coaching is still a necessary part of development, as is culture. But without heavy minutes at the appropriate level, the other two won't accomplish much.

We've gotten to a tough spot with Chytil. We can't send him down to the AHL, and they don't want to give him the minutes/rope to make those strides at the NHL level. This is why I wanted Strome moved two seasons ago (when it was clear that they wanted Chytil in the NHL. I thought they should have had Chytil in the AHL until either a spot opened up or he could bump Strome out of a job). Now, we're going to lose Strome to the salary cap, and we won't have a player who can step into that role. They will either need to just deal with the growing pains next year, or find some way in a VERY tight cap situation to bring someone in.

Laf should be in the AHL right now. His ATOI/G has actually gone down from last season. He's only got 4 points in his last 22 games, and he didn't even record a SoG in about half those games. Bring up Barron or Gettinger for the 3rd line, and send Laf down until he's ppg+ for a solid stretch and playing the way he needs to play. Bring him back up when he would be a real threat to displace Kreider from that top six spot.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

gallant has coached these centers before his ranger tenure: trocheck, barkov, karlsson, & stephenson.

chytil has regressed this year. actually played better under quinn.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

What’s interesting is the coach obviously saw what we all saw and thus he was benched - everyone give yourself a pat on the back

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Stepan played 81 games across two seasons at Wisconsin in his draft +1 and 2 years, playing in all situations and working on his game. Coaching is still a necessary part of development, as is culture. But without heavy minutes at the appropriate level, the other two won't accomplish much.

We've gotten to a tough spot with Chytil. We can't send him down to the AHL, and they don't want to give him the minutes/rope to make those strides at the NHL level. This is why I wanted Strome moved two seasons ago (when it was clear that they wanted Chytil in the NHL. I thought they should have had Chytil in the AHL until either a spot opened up or he could bump Strome out of a job). Now, we're going to lose Strome to the salary cap, and we won't have a player who can step into that role. They will either need to just deal with the growing pains next year, or find some way in a VERY tight cap situation to bring someone in.

Laf should be in the AHL right now. His ATOI/G has actually gone down from last season. He's only got 4 points in his last 22 games, and he didn't even record a SoG in about half those games. Bring up Barron or Gettinger for the 3rd line, and send Laf down until he's ppg+ for a solid stretch and playing the way he needs to play. Bring him back up when he would be a real threat to displace Kreider from that top six spot.

College isn't the minors. It's college. Players always develop better away from this org than when they are in NY/Hartford.

 

[Synergy27]

I’m about the biggest Chytil fanboy there is. I’m getting close to taking an L on him. He’s taken a major step back from last season. He legitimately looked like a star in the making prior to getting hurt last year.

I am still hopeful that he can put it together but it’s feeling less and less likely every day.

 

[The Mouth]

Filip Feeble. Time To move on. If he just won faceoffs he could be serviceable. I have seen enough.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Fil is what he is but these boards overrated him, he's a 3rd liner, always was and unless he finds some hands and some vision he always will be. Its not a slight on him, its who he is. Good size, great speed, not much kiler instinct. I still think he can be a very useful player for us, I'd like to see him figure out penalty killing, could see him like Grabner on the kill.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Fil is what he is but these boards overrated him, he's a 3rd liner, always was and unless he finds some hands and some vision he always will be. Its not a slight on him, its who he is. Good size, great speed, not much kiler instinct. I still think he can be a very useful player for us, I'd like to see him figure out penalty killing, could see him like Grabner on the kill.

I don’t want to give up on him yet especially because he’s one of the few great skaters on our team. We need more speed, badly

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don’t want to give up on him yet especially because he’s one of the few great skaters on our team. We need more speed, badly

Totally agree but he's not the answer to 2c as some think he is and as ive said all along thats fine, if he can figure out being a bottom 6 guy with his speed, great.

 

[tbassler]

Filip Feeble. Time To move on. If he just won faceoffs he could be serviceable. I have seen enough.

Filip Feeble. That made me laugh.

 

[CLW]

Totally agree but he's not the answer to 2c as some think he is and as ive said all along thats fine, if he can figure out being a bottom 6 guy with his speed, great.

He'd fit perfectly in Vegas' straight N/S style 4th line game. He can do something similar for the Rangers, but then the question becomes if he is worth that with the contract he has. The positive thing is that he is still getting chances, often created by himself, once he starts potting a few things will look better.

 

[ThirdEye]

I'd hang on to him at least until the age when a lot of forwards start to really break out which is 24/25. Although he's been in the league 4 seasons now half of them were cut short, so he really has only played 2.5 season worth of games. No sense of developing a guy for multiple years and getting him used to your system only to dump him for scraps or give him up for nothing.

He has unfortunately fallen victim to overhype and most of that has to do with us hoping that he would make up for the horrid selection prior to him the same draft. Really not his fault.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Too much skill to give up on. Try him at wing. See if that helps. Let him know that he should be scoring 20 goals a year.

 

[Wtp99]

Too much skill to give up on. Try him at wing. See if that helps. Let him know that he should be scoring 20 goals a year.

Even with the so called skill (yes he is better then me) he doesn’t seem to have the testicular fortitude to go into the dirty areas and along the boards, always seems to pull up . And the scoring touch is few and far between.
Though he may be serviceable if he get over his fear

 

[NickyFotiu]

Even with the so called skill (yes he is better then me) he doesn’t seem to have the testicular fortitude to go into the dirty areas and along the boards, always seems to pull up . And the scoring touch is few and far between.
Though he may be serviceable if he get over his fear

Scored 5 games in a row as a rookie I think. He just has to find that game again and soon.

 

[Wtp99]

Scored 5 games in a row as a rookie I think. He just has to find that game again and soon.

Very, very true

 

[tomobson]

Even with the so called skill (yes he is better then me) he doesn’t seem to have the testicular fortitude to go into the dirty areas and along the boards, always seems to pull up . And the scoring touch is few and far between.
Though he may be serviceable if he get over his fear

I don't see this at all. He's the only center that consistently supports the puck carrier and the cycle. That's why him and Kakko have chemistry. That third line works best when they are below the dots and along the boards because Chytil helps his wingers and he has to because he's playing with third liners and not Panarin. Like most young players he misses out on some opportunists to cut into the middle when an opening is available but that's because they didn't recognize the hole being there in the first place. Kakko is guilty of this too and that sense will better develop the more they play. He's badly snakebitten but a lot of those chances are created because he put in the work on the forecheck and the cycle to get those chances. I think Chytil could be a fine third line center but he doesn't have third line type players around him. He was supposed to start this season with Goodrow on his wing and they should probably go back to that if they care to get a working third line again. But I think this organization loves relying on one or two players more than actually filling up a lineup correctly. Move Goat or Laf up and stick Goodrow on one of the wings of the third line.

 

[Wtp99]

I don't see this at all. He's the only center that consistently supports the puck carrier and the cycle. That's why him and Kakko have chemistry. That third line works best when they are below the dots and along the boards because Chytil helps his wingers and he has to because he's playing with third liners and not Panarin. Like most young players he misses out on some opportunists to cut into the middle when an opening is available but that's because they didn't recognize the hole being there in the first place. Kakko is guilty of this too and that sense will better develop the more they play. He's badly snakebitten but a lot of those chances are created because he put in the work on the forecheck and the cycle to get those chances. I think Chytil could be a fine third line center but he doesn't have third line type players around him. He was supposed to start this season with Goodrow on his wing and they should probably go back to that if they care to get a working third line again. But I think this organization loves relying on one or two players more than actually filling up a lineup correctly. Move Goat or Laf up and stick Goodrow on one of the wings of the third line.

I don't see this at all. He's the only center that consistently supports the puck carrier and the cycle. That's why him
and Kakko have chemistry. That third line works best when they are below the dots and along the boards because Chytil helps his wingers and he has to because he's playing with third liners and not Panarin. Like most young players he misses out on some opportunists to cut into the middle when an opening is available but that's because they didn't recognize the hole being there in the first place. Kakko is guilty of this too and that sense will better develop the more they play. He's badly snakebitten but a lot of those chances are created because he put in the work on the forecheck and the cycle to get those chances. I think Chytil could be a fine third line center but he doesn't have third line type players around him. He was supposed to start this season with Goodrow on his wing and they
should probably go back to that if they care to get a working third line again. But I think this organization loves relying on one or two players more than actually filling up a lineup correctly. Move Goat or Laf up and stick Goodrow on one of the wings of the third line.

I like your take on the subject, but I do think that he has regressed to the point no confidence. He has to realize that it is not a soft team that he plays on, needs to finish his checks and perhaps start using that big body in front of the net, if he is a goal scorer, that’s where he need to be, or finishing his checks. Just needs to be way better

 

[IDvsEGO]

I like your take on the subject, but I do think that he has regressed to the point no confidence. He has to realize that it is not a soft team that he plays on, needs to finish his checks and perhaps start using that big body in front of the net, if he is a goal scorer, that’s where he need to be, or finishing his checks. Just needs to be way better

Chytil is a goal scorer who scores from the slot, not in front of the net. He's tall but thin, and plenty of NHL centers with his body type score from further out.
He's got high end speed, and a solid shot.
He's not a soft player in that he dumps the puck to shy away from a hit, but he also doesn't lay hits either. Thats not his game nor does it have to be. Strome doesn't hit often and nor does mika.
Chytil's game is predicated on offensive zone control and cycle. He's got size and speed with solid hands to create space. When he gets some space he tends to generate chances. I legit think he'd be a very good center with panarin, because that space strome gets, would be his, and i think he's got a better shot than strome.
Chytil generally plays solid defense, and as most people forget, he's still only 22. He's not done developing.

 

[Bluto]

So many people giving up on the kid. Kreider and Zuc got sent down to the AHL for playing like shit and were older than Chytil and they turned out alright. A stint in the AHL could be exactly what he needs to get his head on straight.

 

[Peltz]

So many people giving up on the kid. Kreider and Zuc got sent down to the AHL for playing like shit and were older than Chytil and they turned out alright. A stint in the AHL could be exactly what he needs to get his head on straight.

It wouldn't be the first time he's sent down. I think it's time to sink or swim for him.