Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part II

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jay from jersey

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Fil is what he is but these boards overrated him, he's a 3rd liner, always was and unless he finds some hands and some vision he always will be. Its not a slight on him, its who he is. Good size, great speed, not much kiler instinct. I still think he can be a very useful player for us, I'd like to see him figure out penalty killing, could see him like Grabner on the kill.

that’s the craziest part. He has all the qualities he needs to be a very good 2C.
Good skater, plays. A 2-way n/s game, good shot/hands, has ability to score and finish plays off, has speed and size, good along the boards etc.
I agree with you on his vision. I think he has tunnel vision in that regard. Terrible and seeing plays develop and where other plays are likely to be in the next 2-3 seconds. but even that isn’t bad for a shoot 1st center.
He’s shown he can play at a high level, and he’s shown he can sustain that play for multiple games at a time. At least 10+
That’s what his fans see, and why they still have faith in him. He was absolutely our best center for about 16 games prior to the wrist injury and covid.
What you nailed is the total lack of a killer instinct with him. He’s very soft/timid in that regard, and that’s the biggest thing holding him back. It’s also very hard to overcome.
You either have it or you don’t. Very few guys develop one.
Most of not all good players, you can tell when there Drive/Urgency is there. It’s a quality that stands out.
Chytil currently doesn’t have that. He goes out and looks the same , skates the same, and does the same moves and style every time.
No matter what, it doesn’t change.
When he’s playing bad like recently, or even if he looks good for 2-3 games, you never see him try to get himself to dig deeper and go that extra mile or try harder to score/ make a pass etc.
He doesn’t have that will or fire in his belly to snap out of a prolonged funk and basically will himself a goal/assist or a top rate scoring opportunity like other good players do.
It’s just as if he’s out there, continuing to go thru the motions.
That lack of drive/killer instinct in the main thing that holds him back from producing consistently and taking the next step in his development.
We were all hoping it would come this year under Gallant. Chytil even did an interview and said how much more comfortable he feels with Gallant opposed to Quinn.
There’s just not a big enough fight in the dog if you know what I mean.
He doesn’t have it in him, and it’s holding back to the point where he was scratched.
His response next game from the wake up call was to go out and play like the same old Fil. It wasn’t a good showing.
Good players get mad when they are scratched. They come out with a chip on their shoulder the next chance they get. Not Fil. He’s still baby face Mr nice guy out there going thru the motions.

can he still develop and take the next step???
Sure, maybe. But I don’t see any signs of it being soon.
He might be 24-25 before he fully matures and everything starts to click and come easier for him. The same age where Zibby had a big developmental step...
Will the rangers wait another 2-3 seasons to see if chytil can finally take that next step??
He’ll no. He’s only signed for 1 more season at 2.3 mill. Barron is coming by next year the latest. He’s bigger, cheaper, and fits more of a bottom 6 3C in a gallant style system.
Chytil was just scratched as a wake up call.
His response game was pathetic.
It’s the equivalent of running away or turtling when someone challenges you to a fist fight.
Gallant has already slipped it out in the open he’s going to try chytil at wing.
Sorry to break this to you chytil fans, but if he can’t get his game going at wing, that’s his last stop before he’s likely traded outta here.
They aren’t going to send him to Hartford after 4 full years with the rangers.
They won’t send LaF either, but for different reasons. Even if he develops slower because of it.
 
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We couldn't just have drafted Necas right? ... mf

Looking at his linear stats though ... they are still ok.

Afaic he needs to realize he's not as good as he thinks he is and re-invent himself as a player.

With this organization, who's to say Necas wouldn't have busted either
 

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that’s the craziest part. He has all the qualities he needs to be a very good 2C.
Good skater, plays. A 2-way n/s game, good shot/hands, has ability to score and finish plays off, has speed and size, good along the boards etc.
I agree with you on his vision. I think he has tunnel vision in that regard. Terrible and seeing plays develop and where other plays are likely to be in the next 2-3 seconds. but even that isn’t bad for a shoot 1st center.
He’s shown he can play at a high level, and he’s shown he can sustain that play for multiple games at a time. At least 10+
That’s what his fans see, and why they still have faith in him. He was absolutely our best center for about 16 games prior to the wrist injury and covid.
What you nailed is the total lack of a killer instinct with him. He’s very soft/timid in that regard, and that’s the biggest thing holding him back. It’s also very hard to overcome.
You either have it or you don’t. Very few guys develop one.
Most of not all good players, you can tell when there Drive/Urgency is there. It’s a quality that stands out.
Chytil currently doesn’t have that. He goes out and looks the same , skates the same, and does the same moves and style every time.
No matter what, it doesn’t change.
When he’s playing bad like recently, or even if he looks good for 2-3 games, you never see him try to get himself to dig deeper and go that extra mile or try harder to score/ make a pass etc.
He doesn’t have that will or fire in his belly to snap out of a prolonged funk and basically will himself a goal/assist or a top rate scoring opportunity like other good players do.
It’s just as if he’s out there, continuing to go thru the motions.
That lack of drive/killer instinct in the main thing that holds him back from producing consistently and taking the next step in his development.
We were all hoping it would come this year under Gallant. Chytil even did an interview and said how much more comfortable he feels with Gallant opposed to Quinn.
There’s just not a big enough fight in the dog if you know what I mean.
He doesn’t have it in him, and it’s holding back to the point where he was scratched.
His response next game from the wake up call was to go out and play like the same old Fil. It wasn’t a good showing.
Good players get mad when they are scratched. They come out with a chip on their shoulder the next chance they get. Not Fil. He’s still baby face Mr nice guy out there going thru the motions.

can he still develop and take the next step???
Sure, maybe. But I don’t see any signs of it being soon.
He might be 24-25 before he fully matures and everything starts to click and come easier for him. The same age where Zibby had a big developmental step...
Will the rangers wait another 2-3 seasons to see if chytil can finally take that next step??
He’ll no. He’s only signed for 1 more season at 2.3 mill. Barron is coming by next year the latest. He’s bigger, cheaper, and fits more of a bottom 6 3C in a gallant style system.
Chytil was just scratched as a wake up call.
His response game was pathetic.
It’s the equivalent of running away or turtling when someone challenges you to a fist fight.
Gallant has already slipped it out in the open he’s going to try chytil at wing.
Sorry to break this to you chytil fans, but if he can’t get his game going at wing, that’s his last stop before he’s likely traded outta here.
They aren’t going to send him to Hartford after 4 full years with the rangers.
They won’t send LaF either, but for different reasons. Even if he develops slower because of it.

Fil has terrible hands and worse vision, he isn't a creator or a finisher, he's not physical or aggressive, he's just fast and tall. Having said that if he ďevelops his two way game and gets in a pk role he could be very useful
 

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Seems like his chief talent is hitting crossbars on open nets.
 

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Chytil is a goal scorer who scores from the slot, not in front of the net. He's tall but thin, and plenty of NHL centers with his body type score from further out.
He's got high end speed, and a solid shot.
He's not a soft player in that he dumps the puck to shy away from a hit, but he also doesn't lay hits either. Thats not his game nor does it have to be. Strome doesn't hit often and nor does mika.
Chytil's game is predicated on offensive zone control and cycle. He's got size and speed with solid hands to create space. When he gets some space he tends to generate chances. I legit think he'd be a very good center with panarin, because that space strome gets, would be his, and i think he's got a better shot than strome.
Chytil generally plays solid defense, and as most people forget, he's still only 22. He's not done developing.
Though looks can be deceiving, that’s how I see it, in my opinion and it’s just that, it he needs to get a bit harder to play against and start going into the dirty areas a least some more. He has the size and some say the strength, so that’s my perception of it
 

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I dont know if I'm mis-remembering.... but IMO his game has gotten worse over the years. With each injury his game 'falls off'

He used to be relentless on the forecheck and backchecks. He would finish and score. He still had the same issue back then but the other parts of the game were at a higher level. Those highs have been lowered and his lows are around the same. Not good.

Just play simple hockey.... Go get puck. Get open in scoring area. He could thrive with those 2 simple things playing with Panarin and Strome.
 

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I dont know if I'm mis-remembering.... but IMO his game has gotten worse over the years. With each injury his game 'falls off'

He used to be relentless on the forecheck and backchecks. He would finish and score. He still had the same issue back then but the other parts of the game were at a higher level. Those highs have been lowered and his lows are around the same. Not good.

Just play simple hockey.... Go get puck. Get open in scoring area. He could thrive with those 2 simple things playing with Panarin and Strome.

I mean his game has gotten alot better than it was his full rookie year. His defense has gotten alot better, he wins some faceoffs now. Hes still showing that high end speed, but some of it is just wings that dont mesh with his style of game and also not a ton of ice
 

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Chytil has performed poorly in the last 5 games. 10 games before that, he was looking like one of our best forwards. I don’t understand the rush to make a final judgment on a young player that is clearly mired in a slump. Inconsistency is a big part of dealing with young players. He can work his way back if given an opportunity.
 

jay from jersey

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I dont know if I'm mis-remembering.... but IMO his game has gotten worse over the years. With each injury his game 'falls off'

He used to be relentless on the forecheck and backchecks. He would finish and score. He still had the same issue back then but the other parts of the game were at a higher level. Those highs have been lowered and his lows are around the same. Not good.

Just play simple hockey.... Go get puck. Get open in scoring area. He could thrive with those 2 simple things playing with Panarin and Strome.

Sadly the best stretch he ever had in his career so far was those 16-18 games at the start of last season where he was the teams best center.
He was using all of his physical gifts as well as hit talents and he was a force out there. It’s what made so many feel the worm has turned for the kid.
After the wrist/ covid time off, he never got back to that peak performance level.
There was a little period, maybe 3-4 games after the trade deadline where he strung that good consistent effort together and we thought, ok, he’s likely back. But that was mainly an illusion.
Whether it was his line mates, or Quinn with the decreased minutes/lack of faith in him, who knows. But we’ve been looking for some signs that he can be that guy for large portions of the season and it just hasn’t happened.
Yes he’s still young. Yes he still has talent, yes he still has at least some more developing to do imo, but when that’s going to happen is a mystery.
I can tell you, Drury and the rangers aren’t going to wait another 1-3 years to find out when it comes. Not with Fil only signed for 1 more season after this, Barron ready to assume the 3C role by camp, and Rangers needing an immediate and hopefully long term upgrade at the 2C position.
I hope they don’t keep strome. I really hope they don’t keep Strome and continue to Trot him out as a 2C.
Frankly, Resigning him long term to be another wing isn’t a good idea either tbh.
Chytil has until the TDL or more likely the end of the season to right the ship and start playing consistent hockey and being a more consistent producer, especially from the 3rd line if he wants Drury/Gallant to even entertain the idea of the possibility that he should be in the running for a shot at 2C and increased minutes/responsibilities.
I just feel like he running out of time.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see him traded and at some point in the next 2-3 years really blossom into a center in the mold of what we’re looking for now...
he might just need to be 24-25 before it happens. It might also take him getting traded to give him that extra kick in the ass to bear down and really focus on becoming that type of player as well.
Some guys unfortunately just need that as a wake up call for their career.
We’ve all seen it a thousand times with a bunch of different players before. Chytil might just be a victim of bad timing here and not currently being the right player yet, when that’s exactly what we need.
 
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Though looks can be deceiving, that’s how I see it, in my opinion and it’s just that, it he needs to get a bit harder to play against and start going into the dirty areas a least some more. He has the size and some say the strength, so that’s my perception of it
That’s his key problem. I don’t want to say he’s soft, maybe still too much of a kid yet is a better way to but it. But he knows what he has to do and where he has to go on the ice to be successful consistently.
He’s either too afraid or to dumb/incapable of going to the spots night in and night out in order to be successful.
His clutch/calmness factor under pressure situations has to be among the worst in the NHL currently. If he has an absolute gimme of a goal, and there’s an open net 4 feet away calling his name, you can’t count on Chytil to either miss the net totally or rip it off the post/crossbar.
I’ve never seen anything like it before for a guy whose style is mainly predicated on being a goal scoring center. It’s infuriating to watch
 
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Did anyone notice he was benched after that turnover that led to the 2-1 late in the 3rd?

Simply can’t be that selfish holding onto a 2-0 lead in the 3rd period
 

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I kinda can understand sentiments like this

But this takes the cake

Oh well, prob the advanced stats make Goat look like Gretzky compared to Chyt.
 

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I like chy at RW
I've said this forever
But he cant stay with pan stro
He's as bad defensively as those 2
Kak on that line at least gave them some defensive coverage for all of pan and stro's turnovers
They should switch them
 
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I like chy at RW
I've said this forever
But he cant stay with pan stro
He's as bad defensively as those 2
Kak on that line at least gave them some defensive coverage for all of pan and stro's turnovers
They should switch them
True. They gave up way too much last night including at least one of the goals if I’m not mistaken on a really bad neutral zone turnover.
 

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True. They gave up way too much last night including at least one of the goals if I’m not mistaken on a really bad neutral zone turnover.
That turnover was absolutely not Chytil’s fault. Puck was at chest level and behind him when it came to him.
 
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