Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part II

[NYRFANMANI]

We couldn't just have drafted Necas right? ... mf

Looking at his linear stats though ... they are still ok.

Afaic he needs to realize he's not as good as he thinks he is and re-invent himself as a player.

 

[will1066]

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

We couldn't just have drafted Necas right? ... mf

Looking at his linear stats though ... they are still ok.

Afaic he needs to realize he's not as good as he thinks he is and re-invent himself as a player.

Nečas was one of the guys I really liked in his draft year but one of the reasons was that I saw him play a bunch living 90 minutes from Brno at the time. He was already off the board when we picked Chytil, and for a top-10 pick he didn't really have the pedigree. I don't think anyone would have taken him that high.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Fans want the team to shoot more and Chytil is shooting more than anyone else on the team on an individual basis.

Chytil sucks

Fans want the team to generate scoring chances and Chytil has one of the best on ice rates on the team.

Chytil sucks.

Fans feel Lafrenieres scoring rates are an illusion of a high shooting percentage and Chytil has career low shooting percentages.

Chytil sucks.

Let's just all admit that what we want is for these kids to be superstars both in scoring totals and in underlying process and the fact that at 18-22 years of age they're not that. They don't suck, they're just not blowing away our wildest hopes and dreams. And because of all that hope invested in them, we have to nitpick every mistake and failure they make.

We've all accepted that Gauthier just can't score, but many have thus come to see his value beyond that.

 

[will1066]

Fans want the team to shoot more and Chytil is shooting more than anyone else on the team on an individual basis.

Chytil sucks

Fans want the team to generate scoring chances and Chytil has one of the best on ice rates on the team.

Chytil sucks.

Fans feel Lafrenieres scoring rates are an illusion of a high shooting percentage and Chytil has career low shooting percentages.

Chytil sucks.

Let's just all admit that what we want is for these kids to be superstars both in scoring totals and in underlying process and the fact that at 18-22 years of age they're not that. They don't suck, they're just not blowing away our wildest hopes and dreams. And because of all that hope invested in them, we have to nitpick every mistake and failure they make.

We've all accepted that Gauthier just can't score, but many have thus come to see his value beyond that.

I think what's getting people riled up is he's blowing a ton of chances and at the same time he has these costly defensive lapses. He also has blinders on and misses wide open teammates.

 

[bleedblue94]

He just needs the right coach.

Haha

In all reality, he may be a guy that just needs to go to a different situation. He may be our Ottawa version of zib. He's not a bad player, he's just not what we need or what we want him to be right now. If we didn't have all the other kids that we are waiting on and watching grow then we could probably afford to be a little bit more patient with him, but I wonder if they'll prioritize the growing pains of the other players and really focus on the need to upgrade the center spot. It's too bad, I really do want him to succeed but I'm not sure he has the mental quickness for the speed of the NHL at least offensively

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I think what's getting people riled up is he's blowing a ton of chances and at the same time he has these costly defensive lapses. He also has blinders on and misses wide open teammates.

So a center who doesn't have much vision or playmaking ability, pretty poor defensively and can't finish...what's there not to like!

 

[tomobson]

I think what's getting people riled up is he's blowing a ton of chances and at the same time he has these costly defensive lapses. He also has blinders on and misses wide open teammates.

It's hard not to have defensive lapses with that way that third line is constructed. You can throw Gourde in the middle of Laf and Goat and that line will still struggle. That third line should look more like Hunt/center/Goodrow or live with the consequences of giving yourself a kid third line and play them so they can develop. This organization loves to have a 1 1/2 line team.

 

[jay from jersey]

Haha

In all reality, he may be a guy that just needs to go to a different situation. He may be our Ottawa version of zib. He's not a bad player, he's just not what we need or what we want him to be right now. We didn't have all the other kids that were waiting on and watching grow then we could probably afford to be a little bit more patient, but I wonder if they'll prioritize the growing pains of the other players and really focus on and need to upgrade the center spot. It's too bad, I really do want him to succeed but I'm not sure he has the mental quickness for the speed of the NHL at least offensively

this is spot on. It could be another 2-3 seasons at least before everything clicks for him and he takes that next step in becoming a consistent point producer.
I don’t think it will be with NYR however. Too many variables that aren’t in his favor.
He’s only signed for 1 more season before needing a raise.
Barron is coming by next season. He likely plays the position better and cheaper because he’s a more prototypical 3C in Gallants System. His bottom 6 plays a heavy physical N/S game.
Chytil likely needs more minutes with an increased role and line mates that can provide offense and mix well with his style of play.
They Timeline just isn’t in his favor. Drury/Gallant aren’t going to wait another full 2-3 seasons to wait and see if Chytil develops and finally becomes a 2C consistent point producer.
Not wasting 2 years of shesty/Fox/Zibby/Panarin/Kreider/Goodrow etc.
while they are playing the best hockey of their careers.
Zibby is signed long term as 1C. Barron likely takes over your 3C. Rooney/maybe a Derek Ryan Vet in UFA is your likely 4C.
With the type of games those guys play, our 2C becomes a very important position. A key cog in the machine to get this team to the next level.
It’s not so much about being the guy who can produce the most points, or a guy that might put it all together in a few more years, maybe.
It’s about Finding the Right player for the role and bringing him in to balance the lines.
The hope is he’ll have similar offensive chemistry as Strome/Panarin, but the guy must be a pretty Fast skater, a full 200-Ft responsible 2-way Center that can hopefully cause game plan/match up problems, and Hopefully good at the face off dot.
I think the writings on the wall for Fil here guys. He’s going to need a monster rest of the season production wise to even be considered in the running to be on the rangers by TDL/seasons end.
I really wanted Kostin at the Draft. Big kid, had some chemistry with kravtsov at worlds, good hands in tight around the net, etc. he put the work in in the A and should be helping the blues full time soon.
I think teams were scared of his injury and he dropped a bit. Who knows, maybe if we take Kostin and he’s in the system, we don’t resign kreider and trade him for Robertson and 1st from Dallas....? You can’t predict this stuff.
I think both Kostin and chytil will become solid nhl players, but Kostin got a heavy dose of AHL hockey after he recovered from his injury. Chytil was a bit rushed in that regard and likely has a longer developmental curve because of it.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I think what's getting people riled up is he's blowing a ton of chances and at the same time he has these costly defensive lapses. He also has blinders on and misses wide open teammates.

I guess my point is that so few players in the NHL are consistently good and good across every measure year in year out. We are blessed to have two on our team in Panarin and Fox, but even they're not exactly stable across every measure.

The fact that these kids takes steps forward one way, but stall or regress in another at the same time should be seen as par the course. If we can accept it as given for 98% of the league, why can't we with these guys who it should be a baseline expectation for even more than most every player.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Wondering what sir avgard hockeyprofessor thinks Chytil's problem is.

 

[leetch99]

Chytil to Sens for Brady T....get it done even if we overpay . We would finally have a real hockey player who plays with his heart on his sleeve every shift . He won't finish up this current deal in Ottawa .Sens might honestly listen and look long and hard at something interesting . We just have to make the money work ....the hard part . I'm dreaming....I know .

 

[bleedblue94]

this is spot on. It could be another 2-3 seasons at least before everything clicks for him and he takes that next step in becoming a consistent point producer.
I don’t think it will be with NYR however. Too many variables that aren’t in his favor.
He’s only signed for 1 more season before needing a raise.
Barron is coming by next season. He likely plays the position better and cheaper because he’s a more prototypical 3C in Gallants System. His bottom 6 plays a heavy physical N/S game.
Chytil likely needs more minutes with an increased role and line mates that can provide offense and mix well with his style of play.
They Timeline just isn’t in his favor. Drury/Gallant aren’t going to wait another full 2-3 seasons to wait and see if Chytil develops and finally becomes a 2C consistent point producer.
Not wasting 2 years of shesty/Fox/Zibby/Panarin/Kreider/Goodrow etc.
while they are playing the best hockey of their careers.
Zibby is signed long term as 1C. Barron likely takes over your 3C. Rooney/maybe a Derek Ryan Vet in UFA is your likely 4C.
With the type of games those guys play, our 2C becomes a very important position. A key cog in the machine to get this team to the next level.
It’s not so much about being the guy who can produce the most points, or a guy that might put it all together in a few more years, maybe.
It’s about Finding the Right player for the role and bringing him in to balance the lines.
The hope is he’ll have similar offensive chemistry as Strome/Panarin, but the guy must be a pretty Fast skater, a full 200-Ft responsible 2-way Center that can hopefully cause game plan/match up problems, and Hopefully good at the face off dot.
I think the writings on the wall for Fil here guys. He’s going to need a monster rest of the season production wise to even be considered in the running to be on the rangers by TDL/seasons end.
I really wanted Kostin at the Draft. Big kid, had some chemistry with kravtsov at worlds, good hands in tight around the net, etc. he put the work in in the A and should be helping the blues full time soon.
I think teams were scared of his injury and he dropped a bit. Who knows, maybe if we take Kostin and he’s in the system, we don’t resign kreider and trade him for Robertson and 1st from Dallas....? You can’t predict this stuff.
I think both Kostin and chytil will become solid nhl players, but Kostin got a heavy dose of AHL hockey after he recovered from his injury. Chytil was a bit rushed in that regard and likely has a longer developmental curve because of it.

The big one is panarin. You aren't wasting the 2-3 more years of elite level panarin that we have left waiting on chytil to develop his offense, or for that matter his defense.

 

[RangersFan1994]

He shies away from any physicality like he’s a small rookie. Miller’s grown leaps in that regard, Kakko has too. Gaut has added it to his game. Panarin and Zbad make the effort, Strome, especially this year, throws the body occasionally too. No need to lay anyone out but if the D passes the puck as you’re bearing down, finish the play with nice thump, don’t freakin turn away every time.

Maybe Chytil knows that he is fragile. He looks like he gets hurt after every shift. Maybe if Chytil had a strength and conditioning coach he’d be stronger and not get hurt as easily. Who knows. He needs to put on more weight on his lanky frame. Although he has the close to the same height and weight and body frame as Petr Nedved

 

[RangersFan1994]

He shies away from any physicality like he’s a small rookie. Miller’s grown leaps in that regard, Kakko has too. Gaut has added it to his game. Panarin and Zbad make the effort, Strome, especially this year, throws the body occasionally too. No need to lay anyone out but if the D passes the puck as you’re bearing down, finish the play with nice thump, don’t freakin turn away every time.

Strome never had an issue with this. He did this when he also 1st came to the Rangers. Strome better be resigned.

 

[duhmetreE]

So a center who doesn't have much vision or playmaking ability, pretty poor defensively and can't finish...what's there not to like!

that's the issue. Normally he's finishing a lot of these chances. I get it, he's snakebit somewhat.

but if he's not scoring, he brings very little to the table for the team. He's a detriment at that point

His IQ/Vision/gamesense will always be his limiting factor. I could see him taking 'the next step' a lot later in his career. 26-28 years old.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Strome never had an issue with this. He did this when he also 1st came to the Rangers. Strome better be resigned.

I agree , when we were flat in the bubble he fought someone tryin to get a spark.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

It's hard not to have defensive lapses with that way that third line is constructed. You can throw Gourde in the middle of Laf and Goat and that line will still struggle. That third line should look more like Hunt/center/Goodrow or live with the consequences of giving yourself a kid third line and play them so they can develop. This organization loves to have a 1 1/2 line team.

i'll take that chance with gourde. that guy can actually carry a team for bit stretches. chytil couldn't carry a turd fresh out a horse's ass to a fertilizing plant that's a block away.

 

[tomobson]

i'll take that chance with gourde. that guy can actually carry a team for bit stretches. chytil couldn't carry a turd fresh out a horse's ass to a fertilizing plant that's a block away.

The point is that the rangers can create a better third line but instead this is what they've gotten themselves stuck with and it makes no sense.

 

[smoneil]

Nečas was one of the guys I really liked in his draft year but one of the reasons was that I saw him play a bunch living 90 minutes from Brno at the time. He was already off the board when we picked Chytil, and for a top-10 pick he didn't really have the pedigree. I don't think anyone would have taken him that high.

Necas, incidentally, is another player who was left in the minors, getting big minutes for two years, and wasn't brought up to the NHL full time until they could give him regular power play time and a decent amount of TOI/G.

Young players don't develop without getting significant minutes.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Gallant compared him to Lars Eller, which I think is a great comparison and is yet another player who didn't really figure out and establish what he could do consistently until his mid 20s and on a deep Washington team.

Chytils pushing play in the right direction that's enough for me as a 3C. That he's getting outscored is something Im comfortable will sort itself out over the rest (50+ games) of the season

 

[RangersFan1994]

Gallant compared him to Lars Eller, which I think is a great comparison and is yet another player who didn't really figure out and establish what he could do consistently until his mid 20s and on a deep Washington team.

Chytils pushing play in the right direction that's enough for me as a 3C. That he's getting outscored is something Im comfortable will sort itself out over the rest (50+ games) of the season

Eller is more complete of a player and more of a 2 way forward with grit. Something Chytil is not yet

 

[Wtp99]

Maybe Chytil knows that he is fragile. He looks like he gets hurt after every shift. Maybe if Chytil had a strength and conditioning coach he’d be stronger and not get hurt as easily. Who knows. He needs to put on more weight on his lanky frame. Although he has the close to the same height and weight and body frame as Petr Nedved

He just seems to be playing scared.
Doesn’t seem that he want to go to the middle of the ice or in front of the net

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Necas, incidentally, is another player who was left in the minors, getting big minutes for two years, and wasn't brought up to the NHL full time until they could give him regular power play time and a decent amount of TOI/G.

Young players don't develop without getting significant minutes.

True, but the Carolina Hurricanes also know how to develop them. It's more than just giving a kid 18 minutes a night. The Hurricanes organization is pumping out good players left and right, have a good sense of what these kids need (off the ice) and it shows.

 

[RangersFan1994]

He just seems to be playing scared.
Doesn’t seem that he want to go to the middle of the ice or in front of the net

For those hate on Rick Nash like myself he at least had an excuse to play scared and even him was still a softee.