GDT: Feb. 20 • Women's Gold Medal Game • Canada vs. United States • Pt IV

[KaseMeOutside]

i feel so bad for those american women, a post away :/

 

[CornKicker]

Wasn't in possession and didn't have control of the puck when the penalty was committed.

Correct call.

** Tripping was the correct call, not cross checking but the correct outcome came from the call.

GOLD FOR THE GIRLS

 

[stampedingviking]

I can't remember which Canadian got called for cross checking in OT (also not a cross check), but that's a play that should definitely be allowed no matter the stakes. The US girl sticks her head in the crease and starts jamming away at the goalie- the correct response is to knock her on her ass.

The ref made a bad call, and then looked to even it up. This is what's happened in hockey for years. It's just fortunate for Canada that Lamoureux was so stupid immediately afterward, instead of the US scoring before giving the ref a chance to back up a warning.

That will be a penalty all day of every day in women's hockey.

 

[MNState0fHockey]

Canada was able to dictate the style of play in both games between the teams. Katey Stone explained her controversial decison to leave a few elite American players off the roster by comparing the decisons to the decisons Herb Brooks made in 1980. Stone is not Herb Brooks.

The Americans weren't able to use their speed in transition because Canada played outstanding defensively and took away all time and space. Canada was much more physical and took the Americans off their game.

When you aren't able to score pretty goals off transition, you have to be able to get to the dirty areas and score some ugly ones. Credit the Canadians goaltending and defense, but the Americans did little in the ways of net front presence and were outplayed along the boards for stretches. Some of this comes down to coaching and adapting your play, and some comes down to the makeup of the team.

Outside of Knight and the Lammy twins, this American team had very little sandpaper. Plenty of speed, but when that speed was taken away they had trouble finding scoring. How a player like Hannah Brandt (linemate of Kessel's that was second only to Kessel in scoring in NCAA last year) didn't make the roster is beyond me. She's strong on the boards and in front of the net, and has the soft hands of a smaller player. Having some more balance on this team would have went a long way.

That said, really proud of how the American ladies layed it all on the line. They left it all on the ice, and the blocked shots show that. You made us all proud.

 

[BigZ65]

actually no, there really was very little more they could do to guard against that outcome. See, those 2 goals by canada, call them mistakes on the part of the US -- that's not surprising. Canada scoring at least 2 is completely expected. Canada is a very good team and there's no such thing as mistake-free hockey.

The US team HAD put itself in the position to win thanks to being up 2-0 at the time they made those mistakes. Then, remember, the US came out firing in OT and dominated canada. they literally did everything they could have to win that game.

But then the ref committed a deliberately incorrect act that destroyed everything they had worked for to that point.

remember OT is 4 on 4 in the olympics, so a power play is 4 on 3. those are absolutely deadly. so to be denied one on a phantom is literally very likely changing the outcome of the game.

and it did. there may be some shame in admitting it, if you are a fan of the benefiting team, but there is no denying what happened.

It wasn't a phantom call. The referee clearly warned the one player (Duggan IIRC) for slashing the goalie at the whistle, then the US and Canadian benches earlier in the game. It was mentioned by the CBC commentators at the time of the first slash. Why give the official the opportunity to make that call when you've already been warned?

I can understand complaints about the call on the Wickenheiser breakaway.

 

[Shrimper]

Looking at women's hockey as a whole. I think that we're slowly seeing improvements and teams are getting better and closer to Canada/USA.

 

[Brock Anton]

Carolina Hurricanes say "Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!"

Underdogs 4 Lyfe.

 

[CornKicker]

Looking at women's hockey as a whole. I think that we're slowly seeing improvements and teams are getting better and closer to Canada/USA.

the switzerland sweden game was good as well, the skill disparity wasnt there either, I hope for the future of the womens game that the european countries catch up skill wise to the NA players.

 

[SenzZen]

... You can't hit at all in women's hockey. Most Canada-USA games are called pretty loosely, this one was not. I agree that you might let that slide in OT of the gold medal game, but considering this was the least egregious call in OT I don't see any reason to complain.

I am aware that body checking is against the rules in women's hockey. It's also against the rules for the Atom house league team I coach. Defending your crease is a different beast all together, and I'm not so naive to complain when refs put the whistle away on regular hockey plays like knocking someone down when they think they can take liberties on the goalie.

Far from complaining about it, I was trying to frame the scene for people that were (are) so incensed about the make up call. That weak penalty got the ball rolling for what ensued, like it or not.

But "least egregious call in OT"? Really?

A cross check to the face shouldn't have been called, in a game that doesn't allow bodychecking?

Ok.

That was the one call in OT that was bang-on. The rest.....let's just say I'm happier that the Swiss advanced women's hockey with their Bronze-medal effort today.

It wasn't a cross check, for one...

 

[Alwalys]

It wasn't a phantom call. The referee clearly warned the one player (Duggan IIRC) for slashing the goalie at the whistle, then the US and Canadian benches earlier in the game. It was mentioned by the CBC commentators at the time of the first slash. Why give the official the opportunity to make that call when you've already been warned?

of course it was a phantom. you know as well as the rest of the world does, that's simply not a slash. warnings don't justify phantoms. period.

I am aware that body checking is against the rules in women's hockey. It's also against the rules for the Atom house league team I coach. Defending your crease is a different beast all together, and I'm not so naive to complain when refs put the whistle away on regular hockey plays like knocking someone down when they think they can take liberties on the goalie.

Far from complaining about it, I was trying to frame the scene for people that were (are) so incensed about the make up call. That weak penalty got the ball rolling for what ensued, like it or not.

But "least egregious call in OT"? Really?

You may be in denial, but you know as well as the rest of the world that that player made that play there because the US was dominating them in the zone. That was a desperation play to break up a dominating cycle, and it gets called ALL the time in leagues where hitting is actually legal. In a league where it's not legal, that's a 100% no-brainer call. The US forced that player into making that desperation hit with their dominating zone play. That is exactly the reason to call that penalty there.

 

[BMOK33]

Canada was able to dictate the style of play in both games between the teams. Katey Stone explained her controversial decison to leave a few elite American players off the roster by comparing the decisons to the decisons Herb Brooks made in 1980. Stone is not Herb Brooks.

The Americans weren't able to use their speed in transition because Canada played outstanding defensively and took away all time and space. Canada was much more physical and took the Americans off their game.

When you aren't able to score pretty goals off transition, you have to be able to get to the dirty areas and score some ugly ones. Credit the Canadians goaltending and defense, but the Americans did little in the ways of net front presence and were outplayed along the boards for stretches. Some of this comes down to coaching and adapting your play, and some comes down to the makeup of the team.

Outside of Knight and the Lammy twins, this American team had very little sandpaper. Plenty of speed, but when that speed was taken away they had trouble finding scoring. How a player like Hannah Brandt (linemate of Kessel's that was second only to Kessel in scoring in NCAA last year) didn't make the roster is beyond me. She's strong on the boards and in front of the net, and has the soft hands of a smaller player. Having some more balance on this team would have went a long way.

That said, really proud of how the American ladies layed it all on the line. They left it all on the ice, and the blocked shots show that. You made us all proud.

Canada had the game in the bag in a much easier route til they gave up the one screened shot midway through the 2nd, they were largely dominating the game up til then and even controlled play most of the period after that, the early penalty in the 3rd was horrendous too, I don't think many would have said the US outplayed canada if they won this game because ironically aside from the first 2 minutes of OT they did not

 

[Osprey]

I admit I'm generalizing, but the American attitude towards sports (especially international sports) is to give them major media and public attention only when the USA is winning. You see it especially with hockey and soccer. Or look at baseball... the only major international tournament is the World Baseball Classic and all the American media does is bad mouth it. If they were to win one, suddenly they would celebrate how great America is at baseball. Or even basketball... sure they care about the olympics, but where's the passion when it comes to FIBA world championships? I don't hear a peep from major American sports media outlets like SI or ESPN. Where is the passion for the game?

It's true that America's passion is winning, not any particular game (at least any longer). On the other hand, is that really that unique to them? How much media attention does Canada put on their rather bad men's and women's soccer teams? I'm guessing that it's very little; am I right? Imagine how that would change if they improved to the point that they were championship caliber and going into tournaments with the expectation of going far.

There are so many different sports and disciplines, and every country focuses on a few that they're really good at it (ex. Canada: hockey, curling; Netherlands: speed skating, cross country skiing) and ignores the rest until something big enough happens to get their attention. People criticize America for dismissing sports that they're not good in, but it's something that every country does.

 

[Shrimper]

of course it was a phantom. you know as well as the rest of the world does, that's simply not a slash. warnings don't justify phantoms. period.

If you've been warned about doing something and that doing the same thing again will result in a penalty, then it isn't a phantom call. It was justified.

 

[17Kurri]

Canada was able to dictate the style of play in both games between the teams. Katey Stone explained her controversial decison to leave a few elite American players off the roster by comparing the decisons to the decisons Herb Brooks made in 1980. Stone is not Herb Brooks.

The Americans weren't able to use their speed in transition because Canada played outstanding defensively and took away all time and space. Canada was much more physical and took the Americans off their game.

When you aren't able to score pretty goals off transition, you have to be able to get to the dirty areas and score some ugly ones. Credit the Canadians goaltending and defense, but the Americans did little in the ways of net front presence and were outplayed along the boards for stretches. Some of this comes down to coaching and adapting your play, and some comes down to the makeup of the team.

Outside of Knight and the Lammy twins, this American team had very little sandpaper. Plenty of speed, but when that speed was taken away they had trouble finding scoring. How a player like Hannah Brandt (linemate of Kessel's that was second only to Kessel in scoring in NCAA last year) didn't make the roster is beyond me. She's strong on the boards and in front of the net, and has the soft hands of a smaller player. Having some more balance on this team would have went a long way.

That said, really proud of how the American ladies layed it all on the line. They left it all on the ice, and the blocked shots show that. You made us all proud.

Bravo, sir, that is the more constructive attitude to take out of this one. One team was gonna lost one way or another.

 

[Rancourt Fist Pump]

Rob Ford jumping

 

[tempest2i]

of course it was a phantom. you know as well as the rest of the world does, that's simply not a slash. warnings don't justify phantoms. period.

Sure, whatever it takes to make you feel about about the end result.

I would have preferred to see the game end 4 on 4 without any influence from the refs. It didn't. I don't know what more you are looking for out of this.

 

[Alwalys]

If you've been warned about doing something and that doing the same thing again will result in a penalty, then it isn't a phantom call. It was justified.

she didn't do the same thing. she played the puck and appeared to be very careful to only play the puck. that makes the ref's call a phantom, and phantoms are never, ever justified.

 

[MNState0fHockey]

Canada had the game in the bag in a much easier route til they gave up the one screened shot midway through the 2nd, they were largely dominating the game up til then and even controlled play most of the period after that, the early penalty in the 3rd was horrendous too, I don't think many would have said the US outplayed canada if they won this game because ironically aside from the first 2 minutes of OT they did not

The United States had the talent, they just didn't have the right mix of players and were outcoached IMO. For instance, lots of questionable decisons on big faceoffs late, no Kessel on the ice 4x4 and 3x3, sitting back on a late lead, little communication with players late, etc....

Not taking anything away from Canada at all, but the US got outplayed more than the score indicates in this game IMO and it wasn't because of a lack of talent.

 

[Bures Elbow]

HAHAH Sportscentre just showed a montage of reactions from various places and the reaction of the EDMONTON OILERS in their locker room was hilarious!!!!!

It was too blurry for me to see who was there...Ference, Eberle, Hall, gagner..couldn't make out anyone else!

 

[thepuckmonster]

HAHAH Sportscentre just showed a montage of reactions from various places and the reaction of the EDMONTON OILERS in their locker room was hilarious!!!!!

It was too blurry for me to see who was there...Ference, Eberle, Hall, gagner..couldn't make out anyone else!

Smyth was losing his mind the most out of all of them. Bryz was completely oblivious lol

 

[MNState0fHockey]

Bravo, sir, that is the more constructive attitude to take out of this one. One team was gonna lost one way or another.

Proud of the players, disappointed in the coaching. Congrats on the win, you guys deserved it

 

[CornKicker]

lol the puck was completely covered and she slashed the tender in the pads/hand? Canada deserved to win and they did, all is well in the hockey world

 

[BMOK33]

The United States had the talent, they just didn't have the right mix of players and were outcoached IMO. For instance, lots of questionable decisons on big faceoffs late, no Kessel on the ice 4x4 and 3x3, sitting back on a late lead, little communication with players late, etc....

Not taking anything away from Canada at all, but the US got outplayed more than the score indicates in this game IMO and it wasn't because of a lack of talent.

Perhaps it was coaching but Kevin Dineen is a pretty horrendous coach I think the veteran presence on Canada may have been the difference maker.

 

[Nothingman*]

Refs determined the outcome on my book. The Canada goalie was better than the US. The way it goes.

 

[Kopistar]

HAHAH Sportscentre just showed a montage of reactions from various places and the reaction of the EDMONTON OILERS in their locker room was hilarious!!!!!

It was too blurry for me to see who was there...Ference, Eberle, Hall, gagner..couldn't make out anyone else!

Well at least those oilers can get a taste of what it's like to actually be winners for once