Fantasy GM Thread | Two Minutes to Midnight for Horvat?

[brock hughes007]

5 years is the average life span of a GM, way to really put yourself out there.

What's your point,,

 

[rypper]

Kuz walks to play with McDavid and score 96 pts

If he wanted to do that, he could have signed with Edmonton in the first place. But i guess Joey's didn't win him over on the city.

 

[Vector]

New Drance & Dhaliwal article up at The Athletic:

-next month will determine the rest of the season
-Podkolzin and Hoglander will remain in the AHL
-Canucks have the financial flexibility to keep Horvat but strongly seems like he will be traded
-trade priority is still a young centreman or right shot defenceman
-NHL top prospects game is in Langley on Jan. 25th; Horvat’s agent will be there; speculation that will be the last time they negotiate
-Pettersson is a priority
-Canucks view Kuzmenko as a crucial piece; agent says “When the time comes, we’ll figure it out”
-Luke Schenn will be traded, regardless of standings, if a good offer is made
-want to extend Burroughs
-plan has always been to keep Boudreau all season
-team views Gronborg as a high level NHL assistant or AHL head coach
-Canucks in regular contact with McDonough; he spurned them last season; no indication, either way, of whether he’ll sign

 

[Vector]

I want Gronborg as the head coach because he might murder someone on camera during a game.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

New Drance & Dhaliwal article up at The Athletic:

-next month will determine the rest of the season
-Podkolzin and Hoglander will remain in the AHL
-Canucks have the financial flexibility to keep Horvat but strongly seems like he will be traded
-trade priority is still a young centreman or right shot defenceman
-NHL top prospects game is in Langley on Jan. 25th; Horvat’s agent will be there; speculation that will be the last time they negotiate
-Pettersson is a priority
-Canucks view Kuzmenko as a crucial piece; agent says “When the time comes, we’ll figure it out”
-Luke Schenn will be traded, regardless of standings, if a good offer is made
-want to extend Burroughs
-plan has always been to keep Boudreau all season
-team views Gronborg as a high level NHL assistant or AHL head coach
-Canucks in regular contact with McDonough; he spurned them last season; no indication, either way, of whether he’ll sign

Think this kills the idea of Gronborg being a Canucks’ coach. I somehow doubt he comes over for an assistant or an AHL gig.

Glad to hear the team wants Burroughs back. He’s good and cheap and shouldn’t cost a ton to sign.

The rest all seems quite glaringly obvious.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Also, FWIW - I think once the season is over, Colliton is the heir apparent to the Canucks’ bench. If the Canucks decide to remove Boudreau before the season is done, I think Yeo will be interim coach to the end.

But I think the organization likes Colliton and sees him as a future HC.

 

[ziploc]

I want Gronborg as the head coach because he might murder someone on camera during a game.

Geez, thought Swedes were nice. Then I remembered Vikings. And Ulf Samuelsson.

 

[Vector]

Geez, thought Swedes were nice. Then I remembered Vikings. And Ulf Samuelsson.

There’s a really weird thing in hockey where Swedes and Russians, usually considered no-nonsense tough guys and resilient, are weak softies.

 

[ziploc]

There’s a really weird thing in hockey where Swedes and Russians, usually considered no-nonsense tough guys and resilient, are weak softies.

 

[DFAC]

Between the 2, trade miller before horvat

The right move is to trade them both

 

[nucksflailtogether]

Gonna be awesome when Chicago drafts Bedard and wins a Cup before the Nucks.

i'm hoping for cbj.

 

[RutherPlan]

friendly reminder that media has no idea what the Canucks are doing

 

[Canucker]

friendly reminder that media has no idea what the Canucks are doing

Could be that management has no idea what they’re doing either.

 

[Sexy Necksy Garland]

Geez, thought Swedes were nice. Then I remembered Vikings. And Ulf Samuelsson.

Ove is kinda a prick too before he goes on his journey.

 

[RutherPlan]

Colliton won't be the next coach unless he wins a championship this year. He has a lot of years ahead of him still as he's only 37 years old. I think Gronberg leaving now as a coach is quite suspicious, he has to making a big move whether its the NHL or Finland, there is more that's happening than taking his departure at face value.

I also think Gronberg is an excellent choice, he is an experienced coach outside of the NHL. You don't need NHL experience alone to be a sucessful coach, you need to be smart af, understand millionaire athletes, and come in with a sound strategy on how to win games in the NHL.

 

[bandwagonesque]

There’s a really weird thing in hockey where Swedes and Russians, usually considered no-nonsense tough guys and resilient, are weak softies.

Russians in particular always played a careful, methodical style that eschewed fighting and cheap shots, and it came right down from the Red Army management. Those traditions in high-level Russian hockey training were too strong and essential to have changed much yet today. But actual Russians in their day-to-day lives will try to kick your ass for jaywalking in front of them.

 

[Peen]

friendly reminder that media has no idea what the Canucks are doing

how can the media know what the canucks are doing if the canucks themselves have shown that they have no idea what they are doing

 

[ziploc]

how can the media know what the canucks are doing if the canucks themselves have shown that they have no idea what they are doing

5D chess. Never let anyone, not even yourself, know your next move.

 

[TruGr1t]

New Drance & Dhaliwal article up at The Athletic:

-Canucks have the financial flexibility to keep Horvat but strongly seems like he will be traded

I've seen this point around and it doesn't really hold water for me. Sure, by the absolute technical definition they could be cap compliant and sign Horvat at the market, but that doesn't mean anything really. The waterfall impact from doing that (assuming they didn't first trade Miller) would likely gut any depth the organization has (without the prospects or cap space to replace it) and mean you'd be locked into this terrible blueline (or possibly even a worse defensive group) for the immediate future. It also adds a significant amount of risk to the Pettersson extension. If Horvat is dead set on absolutely maximizing his contract, I really don't think the Canucks can afford him.

They will just have to live with looking like idiots for extending Miller over Horvat in the summer.

 

[Hodgy]

I've seen this point around and it doesn't really hold water for me. Sure, by the absolute technical definition they could be cap compliant and sign Horvat at the market, but that doesn't mean anything really. The waterfall impact from doing that (assuming they didn't first trade Miller) would likely gut any depth the organization has (without the prospects or cap space to replace it) and mean you'd be locked into this terrible blueline (or possibly even a worse defensive group) for the immediate future. It also adds a significant amount of risk to the Pettersson extension. If Horvat is dead set on absolutely maximizing his contract, I really don't think the Canucks can afford him.

They will just have to live with looking like idiots for extending Miller over Horvat in the summer.

I think they can “afford” him, and appreciate what you are saying. If JT Miller is a winger perhaps it even “works” from a cap perspective.

With that said, the obvious lesson that should have been learned from Miller, and which doesn’t get discussed enough or brought up by the media, is that we have to stop signing players at their absolute value zenith. You just can’t operate like this in the cap era. So even if it made sense signing Horvat a year or two ago, it doesn’t make sense now.

And it’s not because he “priced himself” out of our reach as the media says ad nausea, it’s because you don’t want to sign players based on career years because they almost certainly won’t live up to expectations.

 

[TruGr1t]

I think they can “afford” him, and appreciate what you are saying. If JT Miller is a winger perhaps it even “works” from a cap perspective.

With that said, the obvious lesson that should have been learned from Miller, and which doesn’t get discussed enough or brought up by the media, is that we have to stop signing players at their absolute value zenith. You just can’t operate like this in the cap era. So even if it made sense signing Horvat a year or two ago, it doesn’t make sense now.

And it’s not because he “priced himself” out of our reach as the media says ad nausea, it’s because you don’t want to sign players based on career years because they almost certainly won’t live up to expectations.

It's a good point, but that's really just a factor of ownership's complete refusal to even contemplate a year-over-year step back from the status quo with an eye on the future. Someone said this is an ownership group that basically just doesn't have the stones to move a star player.

Like I said, they could obviously stretch themselves to the max cap-wise to fit Horvat's giant deal, but I don't see much of a chance under that scenario that they aren't in all likelihood a worse team next year, and moving forward. Unless they move Miller first.

 

[Delocatedfan]

Probably putting the cart before the horse but would Dellia have any value at the TDL?

 

[M2Beezy]

Probably putting the cart before the horse but would Dellia have any value at the TDL?

I wouldnt give up on him that easily. He could very well be the next Spencer Martin

 

[Delocatedfan]

I wouldnt give up on him that easily. He could very well be the next Spencer Martin

Its not that, I think if he is worth anything you gotta get it as he is an expiring contract

 

[Gstank]

Havent done some fantasy trades purposals in a while so

Van
Ludvig Jansson
Florida 2023 2nd

FLA
Luke Schenn
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NYI
Horvat

Van
Raty
Bolduc/Odelius
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Anahiem
Boeser
Rathbone

Vancouver
One of their 2023 2nd/3rds
Silfverberg

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