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Confirmed with Link: Fabian Zetterlund traded to Ottawa

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DueDiligence said:
Boy you were negative on the Cozens deal and now you are dissing Zetterlund. Maybe give them some games and see how things shake out.
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Im Not dissing. I said I liked the pick up and understand the price we paid

But he’s not guarantee. Nor am I in a rush to pay him 5 million a season
 
Xspyrit said:
Frankly, Ostapchuk is going to be a good 4th line checking center but doesn't have much upside to be more than that, maybe as valuable as a Kastelic in his prime.

Gregor was a free wallet and decent depth player but basically we paid a 2nd and a 4th line Center for Zetterlund and a 4th round pick

That seems like a very good trade to me. I am very encouraged by Steve Staios, he seems to have the creativity we need to become more competitive. Since Dorion messed up the 2nd part of the rebuild, we really needed a guy that would find all kind of ways to improve the team and we might have that guy in Staios. Amadio signing is a bit meh and the Perron signing didn't work out so far but there was a lot of bad luck attached to it. The Chychrun-Jensen looks really bad on paper but the loss in value falls on Dorion's shoulders no doubt.
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I hope Staios makes more positive trades and acquisitions in the future than he has done to date. His record so far as some not-so-good aspects as you have indicated.

Even the Ullmark trade, which looked good but not great before Ullmark signed a new deal, is not looking as great as it did early in the season with Ullmark's play not being so "great" at this time.

The Chychrun-Jensen trade does look really bad now with Chychrun's improved play in Washington. I don't blame Dorion for that; I blame the coach we had for not using him properly and Staios for making there Jensen-Chychrun trade rather than directing the coaching staff to change their ways. The loss in value was caused by DJ Smith and then the trade by Staios.

I agree the Amadio signing is meh and the Perron signing has not worked out. The Joseph trade to create and then waste the cap space was awful.

I hope the Norris-Cozens trade and the Ostapchuk/2nd round pick-Zetterlund trade work out well for us.

It will be interesting to see where Green employs Zetterlund: 2nd line LW with Cozens & Batherson or 1st line RW with Tkachuk and Stutzle.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Dude he was only in Buffalo. Take an Uber if you have to. I get that these are coddled hockey players, but people get to work every morning in Ottawa despite having to take OC Transpo.

People are going to bring up that it may not have been legal for him to work until his visa was processed, but that just means he doesn't want it bad enough.
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Who, Zetterlund?

From what I can see his last game was in Colorado and then he presumably flew back to SJ with his team.

Not sure you can use the Visa argument either, how can an athlete be an exception?
 
Beville said:
Who, Zetterlund?

From what I can see his last game was in Colorado and then he presumably flew back to SJ with his team.

Not sure you can use the Visa argument either, how can an athlete be an exception?
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I was joking. I don't think not wanting to break immigration laws and risk getting banned from a country equates to a player not wanting it bad enough.
 
Micklebot said:
This makes no sense to me, there was no need for SJ to trade him, like, did Grier just crack and trade him to make the calls stop???
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I think they wanted to extend him, but Zett and his agent Lemiuex said not in season, then SJ circled back and Lemieux told them what they wanted..
 
Micklebot said:
This makes no sense to me, there was no need for SJ to trade him, like, did Grier just crack and trade him to make the calls stop???
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I think GMs can outsmart themselves just like everybody else.

I see why a GM might think Ostapchuk has breakout potential and they swindled us by stealing a sleeper.
 
Micklebot said:
This makes no sense to me, there was no need for SJ to trade him, like, did Grier just crack and trade him to make the calls stop???
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Seravelli said after Holloway/Broberg he expects this to be the summer of offer sheets so maybe Grier was concerned about that given the reported gaps on the contract.
 
Loach said:
I think they wanted to extend him, but Zett and his agent Lemiuex said not in season, then SJ circled back and Lemieux told them what they wanted..
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Ok, so that gives him an incentive to trade the guy, but apparently other teams didn't realize he was available? If SJ decided to trade him, fine, put him to market rather than just let Staois pester you until you snap...
 
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PlayOn said:
Seravelli said after Holloway/Broberg he expects this to be the summer of offer sheets so maybe Grier was concerned about that given the reported gaps on the contract.
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Right, they have a potential reason to consider a trade, but not to limit partners to just the guy calling every 5 mins....

Edit: Or maybe I'm mixing up the trades, was it Cozens other teams weren't aware was available?
 
Micklebot said:
Ok, so that gives him an incentive to trade the guy, but apparently other teams didn't realize he was available? If SJ decided to trade him, fine, put him to market rather than just let Staois pester you until you snap...
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True. Staois seems to start his trades way in advance. Maybe he asked about Zett before he was even available and said I get first dibs? Maybe he made his offer and said if it leaks or you shop around it's off the table? Who knows.
 
Micklebot said:
This makes no sense to me, there was no need for SJ to trade him, like, did Grier just crack and trade him to make the calls stop???
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It isn't outside the realm of possibility that a team could value Ostapchuk like a 1st round pick. I don't think every team in the league would value him that way, but he has had a decent start to his pro career and he was originally selected 39th overall.

If he wasn't being shopped, but Grier got a deal that he couldn't refuse, then he must be high on Ostapchuk.

It could also be a scenario where he didn't openly shop Zetterlund in order to maintain leverage. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that teams are going to call about him. Maintaining a "I'll listen but I am not shopping him" position puts Grier in the driver's seat. You could argue about creating a market, but we don't know that other teams also didn't call him about Zetterlund, only that he wasn't put out there as available.

If Grier values Ostapchuk like a 1st, I don't think he is getting a higher return in the summer. Is it possible a similar return might be put out there? Maybe. But given that San Jose is not a playoff team, if he identified what he got as Zetterlund's value in the summer, then he might as well pull the trigger now if he doesn't think they can come to terms on a contract.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
It isn't outside the realm of possibility that a team could value Ostapchuk like a 1st round pick. I don't think every team in the league would value him that way, but he has had a decent start to his pro career and he was originally selected 39th overall.

If he wasn't being shopped, but Grier got a deal that he couldn't refuse, then he must be high on Ostapchuk.

It could also be a scenario where he didn't openly shop Zetterlund in order to maintain leverage. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that teams are going to call about him. Maintaining a "I'll listen but I am not shopping him" position puts Grier in the driver's seat. You could argue about creating a market, but we don't know that other teams also didn't call him about Zetterlund, only that he wasn't put out there as available.

If Grier values Ostapchuk like a 1st, I don't think he is getting a higher return in the summer. Is it possible a similar return might be put out there? Maybe. But given that San Jose is not a playoff team, if he identified what he got as Zetterlund's value in the summer, then he might as well pull the trigger now if he doesn't think they can come to terms on a contract.
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IMO Grier wanted to add some size & toughness on his team to help protect Celebrini & Smith who can also keep up. Ostapchuk can take faceoffs, he hits, he's responsible defensively, he can play on the PK & play C or LW, he's very versatile with a decent skillset & can help any team.
 
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