I believe that Jokerit had a recent coaching change. Maybe that has something to do with his improved performance.
F Teuvo Teräväinen (2012, 18th overall, Chicago) II
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Ok, you are one of those guys, who think Granlund stayed too long in FEL and think, that´s the reason, why he didn't score PPG in the NHL right a way. And now you are rushing everyone to NA as soon, as possible.
Well I agree, that it's not good to stay too long in FEL, since if the player already plays a dominant and highscoring season in FEL at young age, there is nothing to stay in FEL.
We've seen that in past decates, somebody scores a highscoring year at young age and still stays in FEL.
I think Granlund left for NA at the right moment, but he was too dominant to play in FEL anymore.
In Teräväinen's case he has not been a dominant scorer since resently after the WJC's. These guys, like Teräväinen who'se game is much about offence and are a bit lacking in consistency, they benefit in staying in FEL to get the consistency. You see, while you play in familiar environment it's easier to get the confidence in scoring and in the play with the puck.
When they score consistently, then they need to go to NA. But not before that, otherwise... you see Armia this season.
Jussi
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Granlund himself has admitted that he should have left Finland a year earlier. He would have been much better prepared for NHL.
Consistency has definitely been a problem but on the other hand everybody has scoring slumps (last season he was injured + was still learning to play C on FEL). This season Jokerit had huge problems on scoring probably party because of the style of play that obviously didn't work (especially for TT) and got the coach sacked. Now TT has much more liberties to do his thing + confidence boost from WJC + more responsibility + better RW. It has been an absolute thrill to watch him play. He has been magnificent on everything including PP, PK, face offs etc.
After the WJC tournament TT has definitely been dominant player on all three games he has played. Coach have used him/his line even on a situation where there was only a minute left on 3rd period to defend a lead. He also has played on PK which never happened before WJC either. If he plays like he has played on WJC and on FEL after WJC he most definitely has to leave to NA after FEL-season.
This is not about just Granlund and I do agree that it depends entirely on the player when it's time for them to go and see how it goes. Some young players don't find consistency by the time they're 20, but that doesn't mean they should stay years and years on end until they find it (that is, if they ever do).
A familiar environment isn't always the best one. A developing, highly skilled player needs new challenges. Every great prospect has a point when they just have to see what they've got if they're really aiming for the top.
So what if you fail at first? Then you get up and try again, like Granlund did. That's when your mental strength is measured, and it's a big part of growing as a professional hockey player. Learn to deal with adversity and overcome it. So what if it's difficult at first? If you're 20-year-old top prospect, you have time to fix things and be successful if you're willing to work through your problems. If you're not willing to go through that, then you just didn't have it in you and eventually you will probably not end up playing in the NHL.
Teräväinen is going to be 20 this year, he is very talented and not too young to live on his own anymore. I think the risk of his development being somehow ruined by leaving after this season is very small, much smaller than the risk of him getting complacent next season in Finland. That's not saying his chances of making the NHL would be crushed if he stayed, but yes, I do think there is a risk that he would struggle more once he got to North America if he stayed for another season.
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He's a playmaker and he looks for the pass. He's got a good, accurate shot, but he's a passer. He'll shoot more as his career goes on, I would assume, as Patrick Kane has in the past 2-3 years.
As we know, he had health issues after 2012 WJC, that affected in his play through 12-13 season.
He was in better shape physically(high performance phase) when the 11-12 started, than when the 12-13 started.
Seriously I don't think, that the last season in FEL affected his play negatively.
Jussi
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He knows his own body and the requirements of the NHL/North American game better than any of us here. You should drop this crazy talk already.
Granlund admits here that AHL is by no means bad for a player: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/nhl/art-1288617487654.html
Ok, so the NHL is bigger, than the players. If you can't get the things together in the AHL, you don't have to play at all. And that's goes it's the only way to play hockey.
I'm just thinking, many guys who cant get the things done in AHL, can get them done in FEL... and for some guys the AHL works just fine.
I still disagree with claims, that staying in FEL would affect negatively in the play if he is not dominating in FEL.
Those guys, who have left for NA after they have bacome dominant in FEL, they've been dominant in the AHL right away. Many guys, who have left for NA at young age, they've been struggling even in the AHL.
By the way, what do guys think, can he make it to the mens World Championships in may? Finland will most likely have four more experienced centers, Kontiola, Lehterä, Immonen and Kapanen and guys like Jarno Koskiranta and J-P Hytönen who are expected to make the team, but I think Teräväinen could be used as a winger for a player like Immonen, as Granlund was used.
But it is a fact, he was in high performance phase during the first half of 11-12, then screwed up with it, got overstrained and IR for two months with a lung feaver.
And by the way there is not a single under 20 year old guy, who would know his physical condition enough, to not to screw with high performance phase without a good luck, or other people to give advices.
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I think it depends largely on if the Hawks want him over there this spring. And play AHL games to get NA experience, maybe even a few NHL games. If not there could be a good chance that he makes it.
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Yeah, probably a better idea.
Anyways, my text convo with him was:
Me: "So you're forsure coming to Chicago next year (NHL or at least AHL)"
Teuvo: "Yes that's my plan"
Me: "Even if it's the AHL"
Teuvo: "I have to speak to my agent but I want to go to the NHL"
He also said he knows he needs to get bigger and that's what his focus will be during the off-season.
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Is it you Mr. Pronger, because it seems something has hit you in the head!?
Teuvo has a BRUTAL shot. He shoots plenty, he just can't score at the moment.
Jussi
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Pretty much done with the national team (unless it was the Olympics).
What Granlund and pretty much everything who watched him last season and this season have said and noted that he didn't learn the thigns in Finland that you need to know to make it in the NHL. The physical game (tolerance to hitting), operating in tight spaces, how the game is much quicker, how you have to shoot more and from everywhere, the kind of skating it requires. In Finland Granlund was famous for the way he slowed the game down to make things happen. That is not possible in the NHL due to the higher tempo and he's learned that now. You have to make things happen quickly.
edd1e
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Also he has a very quick release on his wrist shot. Once he gains more strength I am sure the power will come along.
canucksPK
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safe to say he had nothing but WJC in his mind leading up to it, and now feels like a total boss and thinks hes jesus and is playing as so.
UsernameWasTaken
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He really likes the assists, doesn't he
It also sounds like the situation at Jokerit was very unfortunate before their coaching change. So maybe that has something to do with it.
WarriorofTime
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Why is everyone getting so hummed up on Granlund going through some struggles in his first year in NA?
A) Struggling your first year isn't some death sentence. Looks to me like Granlund is doing quite well this season. He's still only 21. I think he has great potential in the NHL.
B) Just because TT and Granlund are both Finnish doesn't mean they're going to be identical, good or bad. TT is his own man, what Granlund did or how long it took him to adjust aren't necessarily relevant.
A) Struggling your first year isn't some death sentence. Looks to me like Granlund is doing quite well this season. He's still only 21. I think he has great potential in the NHL.
B) Just because TT and Granlund are both Finnish doesn't mean they're going to be identical, good or bad. TT is his own man, what Granlund did or how long it took him to adjust aren't necessarily relevant.
ChiTownCode
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Knew the kid was gonna' get hot and I really feel good about myself so I won't get into the 'I told you so'...
...but I did.
...but I did.
