F Rodion Amirov (2020, 15th, TOR) - tragically passed away due to brain tumor 8/14/23

Amirov is a high skilled prospect with all-star upside. I'm going to reference a pre-draft write up so there's no accusation of Leaf fan bias:

With the No. 14 pick, the Oilers select… Rodion Amirov?

I'm not saying he's a grinder, he's very skilled, but he uses that skill to support the play more than control it - a little bit like Nylander. On paper Nylander has all-world skill, he's probably got the 2nd best skating/shooting/passing/hands combination on the team behind Matthews, but he tends to use that skillset to make smart safe decisions to get the puck into the offensive zone and keep it there instead of trying to walk 3 guys and wire a shot top shelf. There's nothing wrong with 30/30 realistic upside, especially with a strong defensive game. I think you could have developed Nylander into a higher risk more offensive player in Europe instead of the Marlies but I don't know how much we need one of those vs what he is today.
 
I'm not saying he's a grinder, he's very skilled, but he uses that skill to support the play more than control it - a little bit like Nylander. On paper Nylander has all-world skill, he's probably got the 2nd best skating/shooting/passing/hands combination on the team behind Matthews, but he tends to use that skillset to make smart safe decisions to get the puck into the offensive zone and keep it there instead of trying to walk 3 guys and wire a shot top shelf. There's nothing wrong with 30/30 realistic upside, especially with a strong defensive game. I think you could have developed Nylander into a higher risk more offensive player in Europe instead of the Marlies but I don't know how much we need one of those vs what he is today.

I don't really see choosing a North American or Russian development path as one between developing an responsible two way player vs offensive star, since Amirov is already advertised as fairly defensively responsible player.

I do want to see him get the most reps possible and put into positions to be counted on as a go-to player though, so whether that happens in the KHL soon (not likely) or AHL (pandemic and all) I'm open minded.
 
I'm not saying he's a grinder, he's very skilled, but he uses that skill to support the play more than control it - a little bit like Nylander. On paper Nylander has all-world skill, he's probably got the 2nd best skating/shooting/passing/hands combination on the team behind Matthews, but he tends to use that skillset to make smart safe decisions to get the puck into the offensive zone and keep it there instead of trying to walk 3 guys and wire a shot top shelf. There's nothing wrong with 30/30 realistic upside, especially with a strong defensive game. I think you could have developed Nylander into a higher risk more offensive player in Europe instead of the Marlies but I don't know how much we need one of those vs what he is today.

The way he moves the puck certainly gives off a Nylander vibe but their games are also different as hell. Nylander has far more offensive punch to his game and Amirov is way better away from the puck, imo.

It's a bit of a corny comparison because he's the hot new toy in Toronto but I think Galchenyuk plays a similar game. You can see the skill is there but he doesn't necessarily dictate the offense. He gets in on battles often, wins the battles often, and moves the puck to the more skilled teammates.
 
I don't really see choosing a North American or Russian development path as one between developing an responsible two way player vs offensive star, since Amirov is already advertised as fairly defensively responsible player.

I do want to see him get the most reps possible and put into positions to be counted on as a go-to player though, so whether that happens in the KHL soon (not likely) or AHL (pandemic and all) I'm open minded.

NA vs Russia is completely different.
There shouldn't be many expectations on how his game will transfer to NA.

However, Amirov is ready to come to N.A.
If he can't handle the transition between Russia to N.A., I think that speaks a lot about him as a player, in general.

I think bringing him to the AHL is the correct move.
He needs to be integrated with out future core ASAP!

He's going to have a bond with Sandin/Liljegren/Robertson and others.
That's very important IMO. If he can successfully integrate with our future core, he will be even more motivated to perform at a high level, and, his comfort level will inturn increase.

If he's getting a TOI of <10 minutes. There's no reason for him to stay in Russia.
We need Amirov to be NHL ready ASAP (We can't afford the long Russian route). Before Matthews/Marner leave, Amirov needs to be there for a final run at the cup, alongside our current core.
 
The way he moves the puck certainly gives off a Nylander vibe but their games are also different as hell. Nylander has far more offensive punch to his game and Amirov is way better away from the puck, imo.

It's a bit of a corny comparison because he's the hot new toy in Toronto but I think Galchenyuk plays a similar game. You can see the skill is there but he doesn't necessarily dictate the offense. He gets in on battles often, wins the battles often, and moves the puck to the more skilled teammates.

Galchenyuk's reputation as a lazy, defensive liability with questionable hockey sense would probably not be an apt comparison to a young player with a two way game and smooth handles.
 
Galchenyuk's reputation as a lazy, defensive liability with questionable hockey sense would probably not be an apt comparison to a young player with a two way game and smooth handles.

Hence me comparing him to Galchenyuk atm, not his reputation.
 
I'm not sure whether or not signing with Toronto this year will be the best for him, but the Leafs have done a very good job graduating & acclimating forward prospects over the past half dozen seasons. Defensemen on the other hand...
 
The arguments made by NHL fans are always the same. You could type it out for them once their team signs a Russian forward too early. It’s always something to the effect of this.

We’ll be able to control his ice time. We’ll play him in all situations in the AHL. We have world class facilities here, and the AHL affiliate is located right near the NHL team. The organization will be able to keep a close eye on him, and he’ll get to acclimate to the region the NHL team plays in. He’ll get to adjust to NA ice and culture early to get him ready for the NHL. We have some Russians in the organization that can help him out.

Meanwhile, the statistics for Russian forwards are abundantly clear. It’s pure arrogance, thinking your team and your team’s player will beat the trend. There are always outliers, but this decision puts Amirov at a huge disadvantage for his career development.
 
How one can believe that having Amirov playing top line minutes in the AHL is worse than possibly playing top 6 minutes in the KHL is beyond me. He was playing 4th line minutes most of the year this year and not getting many minutes at that. If he comes over he will likely play 15 minutes a night and get used to the smaller ice surface and physicality of the AHL. Will also get to work closely with the skill coaches (Wickenheiser, Belfry, Antropov) as well as having the best team doctors, training programs. He would likely get some reps in at Leafs practice like a few of the other young Marlies have gotten this year on the taxi squad as well

The Marlies will likely have a strong forward group next year if a few other prospects join. Likely see a group like:

Amirov SDA Anderson
Hallander Brooks Abruzzese
Abramov Hirvonen Steeves
Holmberg

Robertson likely with the Leafs next year
 
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How one can believe that having Amirov playing top line minutes in the AHL is worse than possibly playing top 6 minutes in the KHL is beyond me. He was playing 4th line minutes most of the year this year and not getting many minutes at that. If he comes over he will likely play 15 minutes a night and get used to the smaller ice surface and physicality of the AHL. Will also get to work closely with the skill coaches (Wickenheiser, Belfry, Antropov) as well as having the best team doctors, training programs. He would likely get some reps in at Leafs practice like a few of the other young Marlies have gotten this year on the taxi squad as well

The Marlies will likely have a strong forward group next year if a few other prospects join. Likely see a group like:

Amirov SDA Anderson
Hallander Brooks Abruzzese
Abramov Hirvonen Steeves
Holmberg

Robertson likely with the Leafs next year
Very rarely would you ever see a Marlies team ice out that many 1st/2nd year rookies and if they did, the team wouldn't be that good.
 
Just bring the kid over. We have a great development system and we have a lot of quality prospects that are coming through the Marlies very soon. Marlies can win 0 games and have 0 fans show up and MLSE wouldn't flinch as long as their kids can develop appropriately.

I know there's a list of players being tossed out to point out previous failures etc, but as @3 Minute Minor so kindly pointed out, the majority of the busts that were highly touted (ish) were because they were brought into the NHL prematurely by atrocious teams desperate to bring fans to the games and save some $. The biggest impact for Amirov would be getting acclimatized and working with the Leafs development staff. Even if it takes a year or 2 or 3 for him to adjust and pick up the game, he will be afforded that opportunity. The Leafs are in no need of Amirov's talents right away and we can afford to let him take the time and earn his way to getting playing time. Similar to what's happening with Timothy Liljegren and Lilly so far has turned into an absolute monster in the AHL. People just don't want to acknowledge him because he was once highly touted and he hasn't established himself as a full-time NHL guy yet but he has done nothing but accept and excel in every challenge given to him and similar to what happened with Rasmus Andersson in Calgary, Lilly is going to make the jump probably next year and I'll be damn surprised if he doesn't hit the ground running.

Amirov from what I have seen of him is pretty NHL ready right now. He can quite easily jump in and play on that 3rd line and provide good defensive minutes and chip in 20-30 points. But we want his offense to develop. A guy like him who has a ton of offensive creativity has managed to lose almost all of it and has absolute shit confidence as was on display at the WJC. Salavat has beaten defensive habits into his game and makes him a very risk-averse player. He doesn't take advantage of his offensive skills because it requires a certain level of risk and could potentially lead to being out of position, which would lead to losing playing time or a benching on a veteran-heavy team that's objective is to win. On the Marlies, we can help him slowly build up his confidence and his offensive side and let the kid understand that he can make mistakes out there as long as he makes smart plays more often than not. When he's playing for the Leafs, he's going to have to be a skilled guy with a 2-way game because that's what the Leafs' identity is. Right now with Salavat, he's a defensive forward with limited offensive opportunities and there are absolutely ZERO guarantees that Salavat would put him in a position to be a bigger scorer (even if he struggles for a while).

For all the shit that these KHL busts are taking for coming and playing in the AHL or OHL trying to make the NHL. You know that these kids (When not in the NHL) were given ample opportunities to be their team's main guy in the CHL/AHL and unfortunately they just didn't pan out or were late bloomers who blossomed later in their careers while playing pro in Europe. If these same guys played in the KHL, they would have probably been worse off because not only would they have struggled to produce, but now they are facing benching/ limited ice time to improve their abilities because their KHL clubs are trying to win.

Developmental leagues are there for a reason. KHL and NHL are pro leagues where teams value fans/ attendance/ money and winning above helping a guy carve out a good productive career. You either sink or swim. The AHL is an intermediate league where guys can develop without having to worry about always producing or risk getting replaced. It's a less pressured situation that would allow guys to thrive. If the VHL was well invested and produced high-quality prospects, there would be no doubt that NHL teams would happily keep some of their players there, and thus over time, more quality Russian kids would stick around in Russia to develop. But unfortunately, KHL scouts out the best Russian prospects and stashes them on the big club, and instead of letting them play in high-quality competitive leagues like the (VHL - which for the record isn't that great), they are forced to keep them up with the KHL clubs until they stagnate or fail at which point the players get moved or buried in the VHL which is a dead league when it comes to prime time prospects.

I know the KHL has started to invest more into the VHL but really the biggest bottleneck for that league is their developmental system. The Russian developmental route is absolute garbage and there's a reason why the overall quality of the league is nowhere near where the NHL is and quite frankly is IMO worse than the AHL.
 
I know the KHL has started to invest more into the VHL but really the biggest bottleneck for that league is their developmental system. The Russian developmental route is absolute garbage and there's a reason why the overall quality of the league is nowhere near where the NHL is and quite frankly is IMO worse than the AHL.

Oh boy :help:...
 
Very rarely would you ever see a Marlies team ice out that many 1st/2nd year rookies and if they did, the team wouldn't be that good.
Fair point. No doubt they could use some AHL vets to balance out the roster but I think I disagree on them not doing very well. These days we are seeing more and more young players thriving in either the AHL or even the NHL right away. Plus a lot of those guys I listed have already been playing pro for a few years.

Amirov has played 1.5 seasons in one of the top leagues in the world and did well.

Hirvonen is in his 2nd year in the top Finnish league and was the 1C for his team this year as a 19 year old.

SDA did ok in his 1st year in the KHL and has looked fantastic in his first 2 games of the AHL and has 3 pts in 2 games.

Brooks and Anderson have already played a few seasons in the AHL.

Hallander has played a few years in the top league in Sweden already.

Abruzzese had no trouble putting up a ton of pts in the NCAA as a rookie and has got a ton of praise from his coaches and scouts for his IQ. I dont think he would have much trouble adapting.

I honestly think that lineup would do more damage than what the Marlies have right now. A lot of people didn't think the Leafs were going to do well in the 16-17 season when we had something like 7 rookies in the lineup and that team made the playoffs and took the cup Champs to game 7. I think skill and talent trumps all.
 
Fair point. No doubt they could use some AHL vets to balance out the roster but I think I disagree on them not doing very well. These days we are seeing more and more young players thriving in either the AHL or even the NHL right away. Plus a lot of those guys I listed have already been playing pro for a few years.

Amirov has played 1.5 seasons in one of the top leagues in the world and did well.

Hirvonen is in his 2nd year in the top Finnish league and was the 1C for his team this year as a 19 year old.

SDA did ok in his 1st year in the KHL and has looked fantastic in his first 2 games of the AHL and has 3 pts in 2 games.

Brooks and Anderson have already played a few seasons in the AHL.

Hallander has played a few years in the top league in Sweden already.

Abruzzese had no trouble putting up a ton of pts in the NCAA as a rookie and has got a ton of praise from his coaches and scouts for his IQ. I dont think he would have much trouble adapting.

I honestly think that lineup would do more damage than what the Marlies have right now. A lot of people didn't think the Leafs were going to do well in the 16-17 season when we had something like 7 rookies in the lineup and that team made the playoffs and took the cup Champs to game 7. I think skill and talent trumps all.

You have some good points but there's no way you can compare next year's potential marlies lineup up to the 2016/17 leafs. There's no Matthews/Marner/Nylander level talent. Expecting all of these players especially ones transitioning into a new league to hit the ground running is unrealistic.

The main approach for the Marlies is development. After Dubas' most recent offseason of infusing more vets into the Leafs lineup, I find it hard to believe he would not take that into account when it comes to developing the Marlies. I mean you didn't even put the Marlies captain or alternate captain in the opening lineup.
 
You have some good points but there's no way you can compare next year's potential marlies lineup up to the 2016/17 leafs. There's no Matthews/Marner/Nylander level talent. Expecting all of these players especially ones transitioning into a new league to hit the ground running is unrealistic.

The main approach for the Marlies is development. After Dubas' most recent offseason of infusing more vets into the Leafs lineup, I find it hard to believe he would not take that into account when it comes to developing the Marlies. I mean you didn't even put the Marlies captain or alternate captain in the opening lineup.
I dont expect all these guys to step in and be scoring at a ppg pace but I don't think its unrealistic for guys like Hirvonen, Amirov, Abruzzese and Abaramov to outscore these AHL vets on the team like Kossila, Pooley, Chartier etc. Look at the young guys on the 2nd line in Robertson, SDA and Anderson who are basically on par with the Veteran 1st line of Petan Agostino and Kossila.

I didn't include the captains because none of them are under contract for next year.
 
I dont expect all these guys to step in and be scoring at a ppg pace but I don't think its unrealistic for guys like Hirvonen, Amirov, Abruzzese and Abaramov to outscore these AHL vets on the team like Kossila, Pooley, Chartier etc. Look at the young guys on the 2nd line in Robertson, SDA and Anderson who are basically on par with the Veteran 1st line of Petan Agostino and Kossila.

I didn't include the captains because none of them are under contract for next year.

Well SDA has only played in a couple games so far and only one with Robertson, so we can't say much about that yet. And as promising as they look, this is about development. It's about how they can overcome adversity when things aren't going there way or they are in the midst of a scoring slump and need to battle their way out of it. Or about how to perform in a chippy game when they are physically outmatched. Vets are valuable in showing rookies and new players how to handle those situations.

Robertson is going through that now with the multiple injury issues and battling through that, but if you start to overhaul the entire team with all new talent and odds are when they face those difficult situations they won't know how to handle them. Dubas is big on player development not necessarily wins at the Marlies level and I'm sure they'll have these things in mind when transitioning Amirov over to the AHL.
 
Meanwhile, the statistics for Russian forwards are abundantly clear. It’s pure arrogance, thinking your team and your team’s player will beat the trend. There are always outliers, but this decision puts Amirov at a huge disadvantage for his career development.

Sounds more arrogant to definitively declare that this puts him at a huge disadvantage. The "trend" is a small sample that shouldn't supersede an individual prospects needs or desires.
 
He has not. It expires after they are eliminated from the playoffs (which is why there are the rumours of him signing his ELC with Toronto.)
Would be a great add to Marlies for sure highly doubt he’d see any games with the Leafs this year unless we got f***ed with injuries but sooner he comes over the better for sure
 
Would be a great add to Marlies for sure highly doubt he’d see any games with the Leafs this year unless we got f***ed with injuries but sooner he comes over the better for sure
Yeah definitely agree, i could see him being on the taxi squad as he arrives to get him accustomed to his new setting and some NHL pay.
 
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