Player Discussion: Ivan Provorov

[majormajor]

I liked Gabrikov, but at his age I'm not a 7 year bidder. I like Shea Theodore, but it's the age deal again. Chychrun is in my preferred age bracket, but I haven't watched him that closely. His simple stats seems ok, but I have no clue how his advanced stats look.

I don't know about Chychrun's advanced stats. Ottawa fans were not kind about his play. Caps fans like him more. That's all I know.

That and he's been very very injury prone over the years. Gavrikov has been remarkably durable and it doesn't look like he's lost any quickness at all, so take that along with his defensive ability. If I had to pick between that group it would be him.

 

[Youngguns1380]

I really dont want to see DW holding on to Provorov past deadline if there isnt a deal to be made with him. We can probably get that first round pick out of him, so if there isnt a deal agreed before TDL - Don should trade him for the highest bid.

Assett management and long term plan over maybe playoffs this year.

I just want to remind you of groundhog day with Gavrikov and now we are in the same position with Provorov. Then after Gavy left we were in bad shape for 2 seasons.

Just something to think about.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

I just want to remind you of groundhog day with Gavrikov and now we are in the same position with Provorov. Then after Gavy left we were in bad shape for 2 seasons.

Just something to think about.

This. Everyone is quick to move Provorov but nobody ever mentions who's gonna replace him. Outside of Hunt maybe we don't really have anybody knocking on the door. I don't want to see more of Jack Johnson than I have to.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

This. Everyone is quick to move Provorov but nobody ever mentions who's gonna replace him. Outside of Hunt maybe we don't really have anybody knocking on the door. I don't want to see more of Jack Johnson than I have to.

That’s the key. I still contend if you want to give up and trade him you are tanking the rest of the season without acquiring a replacement that may not be cheap on assets. There is literally nobody else in the organization that can do his role right now.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

That’s the key. I still contend if you want to give up and trade him you are tanking the rest of the season without acquiring a replacement that may not be cheap on assets. There is literally nobody else in the organization that can do his role right now.

Yup, and good problem to have, but these guys have earned the right to try and make it. The team can't wave the white flag now.

 

[majormajor]

I just want to remind you of groundhog day with Gavrikov and now we are in the same position with Provorov. Then after Gavy left we were in bad shape for 2 seasons.

Just something to think about.

The difference for me there (aside from Gavi being a better defender) is that we aren't in the middle of a rebuild anymore. It didn't make sense back then to move significant futures for a big upgrade but it does now. Giving a long term deal to Provorov locks us further in to having a middling D group behind Zach. I would like us to make our equivalent of the Ekholm deal (he was acquired for a late 1st + a prospect who was just taken in the late 1st).

My most preferred outcome is probably signing Gavrikov himself this summer, but he'll have a lot of suitors and my next preferred outcome is trading futures (perhaps our two late firsts if we add one from a Provorov trade) for a significant upgrade.

 

[Crede777]

The difference for me there (aside from Gavi being a better defender) is that we aren't in the middle of a rebuild anymore. It didn't make sense back then to move significant futures for a big upgrade but it does now. Giving a long term deal to Provorov locks us further in to having a middling D group behind Zach. I would like us to make our equivalent of the Ekholm deal (he was acquired for a late 1st + a prospect who was just taken in the late 1st).

My most preferred outcome is probably signing Gavrikov himself this summer, but he'll have a lot of suitors and my next preferred outcome is trading futures (perhaps our two late firsts if we add one from a Provorov trade) for a significant upgrade.

I think it comes down more to his fit in the room rather than his play on the ice. If they're going to extend him, it's probably going to be a deal for 5+ years which means they're committed to making him part of the core / leadership group.

I said recently that I'd do a long term extension because he is decent as a 2nd pairing player and is super durable. But I dont know how he's viewed off-ice and that will probably be the determining factor in why they would move him at the TDL.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

The difference for me there (aside from Gavi being a better defender) is that we aren't in the middle of a rebuild anymore. It didn't make sense back then to move significant futures for a big upgrade but it does now. Giving a long term deal to Provorov locks us further in to having a middling D group behind Zach. I would like us to make our equivalent of the Ekholm deal (he was acquired for a late 1st + a prospect who was just taken in the late 1st).

I agree completely with this part, particularly the bolded. A package like say two 1sts, Sillinger and Svozil should open up quite a few possibilities in the off-season.

Another thing about Provorov is the fact that the Kings already retain salary on him means that CBJ can themselves retain on him so that he gets down to a very low AAV ($2,362,500), which should make him very valuable, compared to if he's re-signed to an expensive deal and then included in a hockey trade.

He has played well this season, but he just is not a long-term fit. Now if they did re-sign him to a short deal, it wouldn't be the end of the world. But it would lower his value. And I would strongly object to letting him walk for nothing or signing him to a long-term deal.

Plus, who knows, maybe a cheap veteran or a younger player can be brought in to the line-up and help them make the playoffs anyway? It's not certain that they miss the playoffs just because of a Provorov trade, just like it isn't certain that they make the playoffs if they keep him.

 

[majormajor]

I agree completely with this part, particularly the bolded. A package like say two 1sts, Sillinger and Svozil should open up quite a few possibilities in the off-season.

Another thing about Provorov is the fact that the Kings already retain salary on him means that CBJ can themselves retain on him so that he gets down to a very low AAV ($2,362,500), which should make him very valuable, compared to if he's re-signed to an expensive deal and then included in a hockey trade.

He has played well this season, but he just is not a long-term fit. Now if they did re-sign him to a short deal, it wouldn't be the end of the world. But it would lower his value. And I would strongly object to letting him walk for nothing or signing him to a long-term deal.

Plus, who knows, maybe a cheap veteran or a younger player can be brought in to the line-up and help them make the playoffs anyway? It's not certain that they miss the playoffs just because of a Provorov trade, just like it isn't certain that they make the playoffs if they keep him.

Yeah. I don't want to say though that he's not a fit, because Provy is an okay fit. But we're in a great position as a club with so many assets, it seems like the time is coming to make a bigger upgrade on D.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Yeah. I don't want to say though that he's not a fit, because Provy is an okay fit. But we're in a great position as a club with so many assets, it seems like the time is coming to make a bigger upgrade on D.

It was a bit harshly phrased, I'll agree. My point was that with Werenski and Mateychuk in the top 4, Provorov is redundant long-term and valuable short-term. Getting an upgrade that better complements those two makes far more sense from that perspective.

 

[majormajor]

It was a bit harshly phrased, I'll agree. My point was that with Werenski and Mateychuk in the top 4, Provorov is redundant long-term and valuable short-term. Getting an upgrade that better complements those two makes far more sense from that perspective.

I would expect Provy to still be useful, I don't think he'd be redundant, but I want to aim higher.

 

[EspenK]

Teams usually don't trade top 4 D, especially RD. Those who are looking to find such a guy via trade are probably those who were hoping we'd land a 1C that way.