Sorry for ot but Hirvonen is not a 1C in Ässät. He's played all season in 2nd and 3rd lines. Good prospect tho but should play 1 more Liiga season imo.
F Rodion Amirov (2020, 15th, TOR) - tragically passed away due to brain tumor 8/14/23
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Different situations as defined by the CBA. Liljegren and Sandin signed their contract in their 18-year-old year as defined by the CBA (both are early birthdays who signed before December 31st of their draft year). Amirov by definition of the CBA is signing at 20. He's a late-birthday signing after December 31st of his draft year.
This is why with top picks, if possible it generally makes sense to lock them into ELC's as early as possible. Sometimes that isn't an option generally with NCAA and Russian kids. But, as far as I understand it, Amirov has no slide years.
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3 Minute Minor
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Interesting, I knew this existed for college players but for some reason didn't know it applied when they were 19.
I guess the easy solution is an ATO which the original poster of the burned ELC also mentioned.
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I get wanting to bring him over. It’s fun to be able to have an actual hand in your prospects development. But, you’d think by now people would see that it’s a pretty risky play to bring young Russian’s over before they’re ready. Let him stay where he’s comfortable and be an impact player in the KHL before he comes over.
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What if Amirov is set on coming over? I personally dont think it will make that much of a difference. If he was going to get top 6 minutes in Russia next year I was fine with him staying over but if he wants to come over it would be pretty silly in my opinion to tell him no you are staying in Russia for another 2 years.
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There was a lengthy discussion about comparables but unfortunately it was all deleted.
The risk is overstated.
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You don't know if he is ready or not. I'm sure the Leafs have a better read on the situation.
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I don’t want to poo poo the Russian developmental system at all when I say this, because I actually have an open mind as to whether Amirov should stay or go next year. But how can we know if a Russian club team is going to diligently develop Amirov into a star player by feeding him ice time knowing they won’t have the benefit of having this star player when he’s in his prime (after they’ve suffered all his growing pains?) Wouldn’t the NHL team hoping to have a player for the next decade be more of a nurturer in this case?
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If Amirov can help the team he'll get his ice time accordingly. I see no reason Amirov, with an extra year growth, he wouldn't be given more responsibility.
Look how well Alexander Alexeyev, a 1-year loan from the Caps, thrived with Salavat. Salavat endured his youthful mistakes because he was still an asset on the blueline.
So what you're saying is he will get side-lined if he struggles, like young players can do. Whereas in the AHL he'll still get playing time and experience in the times that he needs it, because AHL is a development league. So great, AHL is the optimal way to go.
1. Amirov gets more ice time in a better league, focussed on his development
2. Leafs get better odds at their young blue chip prospect to make the NHL by avoiding the route that the majority of Russian players go when they don't get NHL contracts
3. Salavat doesn't have to spend a roster spot on trying to develop a kid that's just going to leave the team in a couple years any way
Everyone wins.
2. Leafs get better odds at their young blue chip prospect to make the NHL by avoiding the route that the majority of Russian players go when they don't get NHL contracts
3. Salavat doesn't have to spend a roster spot on trying to develop a kid that's just going to leave the team in a couple years any way
Everyone wins.
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He'll also take a back-seat to other players in the AHL if he struggles. That's how it works, even in developmental leagues.
Just look to Korshkov's experience in Toronto's system. Hell, he was given 1 year before you guys got rid of him. lol
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Korshkov was an overage pick and is now a mid 20 something AAA player, not a star product out of Russia Toronto mishandled or stunted. If anything, one has to ask what kind of development path did the KHL set him on? Seemed ruined by the time he got here.
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Wants him over ASAP, likely because thats the best route for a young russian prospect
Wants him over ASAP, likely because thats the best route for a young russian prospect
Just to expand on this, Dubas said that he was happy with how Ufa had dealt with Rodion this season and how his development has gone. He's currently trying to obtain a work visa for Canada and because of COVID there's a slowdown in the process so they are currently working with Dan Milstein and the Leafs representative who handles the visa stuff to sort things out before he signs his ELC or for when he signs his ELC? I'm not sure what the process is. In short, all those Russian posters talking about keeping him in Russia can relax. I think the Leafs want him over in NA at least for this next little while so he can see the city and train with the teams. I think there is a small possibility that they sign him to an ELC and then loan him back to Russia. Dubas wasn't explicitly asked about that but he seemed content with how things were going for Amirov in Russia and I wouldn't be totally shocked if we did that. Similar to Egor Korshkov. Granted Egor was older when he was drafted and signed his ELC and unfortunately there wasn't any room for his game on the Leafs and he requested to go back to the KHL so he can earn more money and get a bigger role.
I think if he does sign you make a good point about loaning him back. He's not near ready for the NHL and I really think bringing Russians over to play in the AHL is risky. Let him mature in his own Country look at Podz he's only 4 months older and he is just now looking like he's ready for a role in the top 9. He's learned English and got some great experience in the playoffs. Leafs have a good team and have zero need to rush this kid.
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Amirov actually outproduced Podkolzin despite getting less ice time and being a year of development younger. If he were guaranteed top line opportunities w UFA then I'd be fine w another year there; if not I'm perfectly comfortable getting him immersed as a pro w the Marlies. Many Russians/those that speak thr language within the organization. There will be no rushing. 1 year of AHL at the very least.
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Nice, happy for him! Glad he'll get some training with the TML staff this off season, and if Ufa circumstances change then Leafs have some control.
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Perfect case scenario for his development, IMO.
Hopefully he has an increased role with UFA next year.
Different situations but Podz much further ahead being defensively responsible. Podz can slide in the bottom six and even without producing will have a positive impact
I think Rodin probably has a higher offensive ceiling but is the more boom or bust. Podz was better on the WJC ktb were great in the Kargela? Cup and Podz was the best player on his team in the playoffs maybe even top 5 overall in the playoffs. Really like your guy tho and just want Russians in general to succeed.
Amirov isn’t defensively responsible? It sounds like you haven’t watched him.
“Not close to NHL ready” he’s one of the most polished players outside of the top 10 from his draft. We’re talking a 1-2 year ETA max.
