F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL)

[JuJu Mobb]

Is it wishful thinking that he flourishes or fails ?

Fails.
There's wishful thinking on both sides to be honest.

 

[eojsmada]

Yes, Montreal want to take him out of the environment he's thriving in to help their tank.

His contract is up in May...doesn't hurt to try and get him in early. Not like he's suiting up for Buffalo and if the Habs are trading any of their vet forwards, he'll get ice time.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Yes, Montreal want to take him out of the environment he's thriving in to help their tank.

Thriving in? You mean thriving in being stapled to the end of the bench and averaging less than 10 minutes per game?

 

[SoundAndFury]

Thriving in? You mean thriving in being stapled to the end of the bench and averaging less than 10 minutes per game?

He isn't averaging less than 10 minutes per game, he occasionally plays less than 10.

 

[montreal]

He isn't averaging less than 10 minutes per game, he occasionally plays less than 10.

15 of his 34 games have been under 10 mins. He has 3 pts in those games. He has 17 pts in the 19 games he's played with over 10 mins.

 

[Intangir]

You can immediately tell who's looking at Demidov's games and who's just stat-watching in this thread. Also, the "Montreal Canadiens prospect" debuff is real on this board.

Anyhow, what matters is how Demidov's looked at the KHL level and if/in what potential way his tools would translate to the NHL.

And the simple fact of the matter is that Demidov has been VERY good for SKA this year in limited minutes, and that quite a few of his offensive tools project as "elite" even by NHL standards.

The rest just doesn't matter.

 

[MoneyManny]

I respect the meme-game, at least.

But, yes. Most ridiculously overrated prospect outside of the NHL because he's a Montreal draft pick, resulting in a bright spotlight and media attention, and there is a subconscious desperation to soothe the ache of passing over the superior Michkov.

Edit: Which, as I've stated, doesn't mean he's going to be a bust or anything. He'll prove a perfectly fine, one dimensional offensive winger who, in the modern NHL, will be a low-end first line player. That's fine value to acquire at fifth

 

[SoundAndFury]

15 of his 34 games have been under 10 mins. He has 3 pts in those games. He has 17 pts in the 19 games he's played with over 10 mins.

Well that checks out, doesn't it? Or is this "he doesn't play x amount of minutes therefore he is getting ruined" case you guys are trying to make like it was with Michkov?

 

[EbonyRaptor]

He isn't averaging less than 10 minutes per game, he occasionally plays less than 10.

The point is he is not playing very much. I've watched 6 or 7 games and in a couple of those games he got only 1 or 2 shifts per period. Rotenberg is using his lack of playing time as an example to others that if you don't sign an extension with them he will punish you. He did it with Michkov last season only that time he banished him to a bottom feeding team (Sochi).

Any one who has watched him play (with the little ice time he gets) will know that his play should dictate more ice time than he gets.

 

[Hanji]

The point is he is not playing very much. I've watched 6 or 7 games and in a couple of those games he got only 1 or 2 shifts per period. Rotenberg is using his lack of playing time as an example to others that if you don't sign an extension with them he will punish you. He did it with Michkov last season only that time he banished him to a bottom feeding team (Sochi).

Any one who has watched him play (with the little ice time he gets) will know that his play should dictate more ice time than he gets.

Michkov had like 3 years left on his contract when he was banished to Sochi. I doubt he was being punished for not resigning.

And, like Demidov, Gristyuk and Nikishin are refusing to sign extensions too. Yet they’re getting plenty of playing time.

Its obvious the situation isnt only about contracts.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

And, like Demidov, Gristyuk and Nikishin are refusing to sign extensions too. Yet they’re getting plenty of playing time.

It's 100% politics. Grityuk and Nikishin are some of the highest paid players of the team, Demidov is not.
Guaranteed that if Demidov signed an extension tomorrow (and become the highest paid player on the team), he would be bumped to the 1st line, with top PP and 20min TOI. It's also a negotiation tactic, if you sign you will play more.
Russian clubs have always been like that, they do not like developing young players for NHL clubs. Michkov was a bit different as he was one of the highest paid player too, as he signed a very lucrative extension at a very young age. That's also why he was loaned out and not burried on the 4th line like Demidov.

 

[Zine]

It's 100% politics. Grityuk and Nikishin are some of the highest paid players of the team, Demidov is not.
Guaranteed that if Demidov signed an extension tomorrow (and become the highest paid player on the team), he would be bumped to the 1st line, with top PP and 20min TOI. It's also a negotiation tactic, if you sign you will play more.
Russian clubs have always been like that, they do not like developing young players for NHL clubs. Michkov was a bit different as he was one of the highest paid player too, as he signed a very lucrative extension at a very young age. That's also why he was loaned out and not burried on the 4th line like Demidov.

What planet are you on? Michkov was certainly NOT one of the highest paid players. His entire contract was for around 1 million total. And Gritsyuk is making probably league minimum. He took a voluntary pay cut so they could sign Kuznetzov.

And why are you lumping other KHL teams in with SKA? Teams are different, coaches are different, sponsors are different.
Enough of the broad- brush stereotyping already.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

What planet are you on? Michkov was certainly NOT one of the highest paid players. His entire contract was for around 1 million total. And Gritsyuk is making probably league minimum. He took a voluntary pay cut so they could sign Kuznetzov.

And why are you lumping other KHL teams in with SKA? Teams are different, coaches are different, sponsors are different.
Enough of the broad- brush stereotyping already.

Michkov contract was with significant increase year over year and he was the most highly touted Russian prospect of the past decade so they locked him very early. (Not typical of other u18 players) highest paid youngster in all of russia.

If Gritsyuk took a paycut to join SKA they definately had to convince him on the project which include playing time. Not to mention he is further along in his development as a player with prior KHL experience. It would look bad on them if they convinced a player to take a 'paycut' just to be an healthy scratch.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

And why are you lumping other KHL teams in with SKA? Teams are different, coaches are different, sponsors are different.
Enough of the broad- brush stereotyping already.

I agree every russian clubs are different. The fact Michkov was not even playing for SKA last year is a good indicator of how disfunctional they are internally or how little that club value their young upcoming talent.