F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL)

[Baksfamous112]

There's no need for retrospection. Everyone knew Michkov was a better prospect than Reinbacher at the time.

They should have taken Michkov and Demidov. Draft BPA that high in the draft.

Yeah but then Montreal would have a huge freaking hole at RHD and a top pairing RHD is the hardest position to fill with 1C, so yeah, I’m ok with Montreal taking a swing at a potential top pairing RHD over yet another winger

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That’s such a dumb reason to pass on a player it just makes no sense

Yeah, but didn't Lapointe or someone come out and say that was a factor?

Yeah but then Montreal would have a huge freaking hole at RHD and a top pairing RHD is the hardest position to fill with 1C, so yeah, I’m ok with Montreal taking a swing at a potential top pairing RHD over yet another winger

It's a lot easier to find a Reinbacher caliber player in the 2nd/3rd round than it is to find a Michkov.

 

[Canadienna]

Not the Michkov thread dingbats

 

[Baksfamous112]

Yeah, but didn't Lapointe or someone come out and say that was a factor?


It's a lot easier to find a Reinbacher caliber player in the 2nd/3rd round than it is to find a Michkov.

Lmao sure yeah just like it’s easier to find a Nemec in the 2nd/3rd round than it is to find a Michkov.

Breaking news: It is not

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Lmao sure yeah just like it’s easier to find a Nemec in the 2nd/3rd round than it is to find a Michkov.

Breaking news: It is not

Yes, it is. Heck, we found Casey in the 2nd round in the same draft as Nemec and he looks like he may surpass Simon this year.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Yeah, but didn't Lapointe or someone come out and say that was a factor?

Lapointe was asked if the Russian/contract issue was a factor and while he did say yes I got the impression that there were a few things about Michkov that Montreal didn't like.

Never said that they were right, but the contract thing just never made sense.

Reinbacher played all of last year in Europe and likely won't be a full timer till 25-26. Was that extra year that important to the habs that they were willing to pass over what they felt was the better player because of it?

I don't think Montreal had eyes on Michkov for a long time before the draft.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

There's no need for retrospection. Everyone knew Michkov was a better prospect than Reinbacher at the time.

They should have taken Michkov and Demidov. Draft BPA that high in the draft.

Could not possibly agree more

 

[MoneyManny]

Yeah I mean if you look back 2-3 years after a draft you can definitely find players that were picked later that you would have preferred instead of your pick but looking back two years ago, I still think Reinbacher was the right choice. Even now, he looked pretty decent against NHLer at 19 years old. It’s unfortunate he got injured but Montreal needed (and still need) to hit on a high-end RHD and Reinbacher is the only one in the pool that has the ability to fill that need.

You could argue that Montreal could have taken Michkov and then a D but again, Silayev, Dickinson and Buium are all LHD (we have no need for one) and Yakemchuk is redundant. We don’t necessarily have a need for a pure offensive minded D and to be honest, I prefer Demidov over Michkov


I’m sorry you regret not drafting Michkov but I personally don’t and it has nothing to do with cope. I’m not talking for all habs fan and perhaps you should do the same

Drafting solely by what the big club needs AT THE TIME OF THE DRAFT is a truly horrible doctrine and will often result in Kotkaniemis, Reinbachers, and lengthy rebuilds.

If we drafted Michkov instead and had absolutely no need for him, then right about now we could trade him for 3 Reinbachers.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Wow now habs fans are making up imaginary scenarios. You think reinbacher > michkov because there’s a chance that michkov is a loser?

Consider the source of the comment

Drafting solely by what the big club needs AT THE TIME OF THE DRAFT is a truly horrible doctrine and will often result in Kotkaniemis, Reinbachers, and lengthy rebuilds.

If we drafted Michkov instead and had absolutely no need for him, then right about now we could trade him for 3 Reinbachers.

No need for a player of Michkov’s caliber.
Hilarious

 

[Baksfamous112]

Wow habs fans are still trying to convince anyone that reinbacher > michkov

I genuinely could not care less if Michkov becomes a star just like you probably don’t give a flying duck if Boldy become a 90 points player and the guy you drafted over him is playing for another team.

Just because I still like Reinbacher and still think he has top pairing potential doesn’t mean I think he’s better than Michkov as a player. He is a bigger need though

 

[Baksfamous112]

Yes, it is. Heck, we found Casey in the 2nd round in the same draft as Nemec and he looks like he may surpass Simon this year.

That’s a very bold statement but you do you. I hope you can at least understand why your team went for Nemec instead of the more talented player in Cooley.

I’m not sure why it is so hard to understand for some people that team needs at key positions can make or break a contending team

 

[jsol]

So are you guys going to talk about Demidov in this thread?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That’s a very bold statement but you do you. I hope you can at least understand why your team went for Nemec instead of the more talented player in Cooley.

Nemec wasn't really seen as inferior to Cooley in the consensus, though I would have preferred Cooley myself.

I’m not sure why it is so hard to understand for some people that team needs at key positions can make or break a contending team

If you're picking that high, you need to be picking BPA. If there are two players who you see as roughly equivalent, then pick for position.

 

[dgibb10]

Yes, it is. Heck, we found Casey in the 2nd round in the same draft as Nemec and he looks like he may surpass Simon this year.

This is a pretty major overreaction to preseason games where 1 guy is fighting to earn a roster spot and the other is recovering from injury.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

This is a pretty major overreaction to preseason games where 1 guy is fighting to earn a roster spot and the other is recovering from injury.

I've had Casey over Nemec since before they were drafted.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Nemec wasn't really seen as inferior to Cooley in the consensus, though I would have preferred Cooley myself.

If you're picking that high, you need to be picking BPA. If there are two players who you see as roughly equivalent, then pick for position.

Montreal brass said over and over again that they thought Reinbacher was the BPA at 5.

It’s easy to say after the facts, although it’s still early in both players career. I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Reinbacher can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Michkov considering Montreal current strength and weaknesses

 

[enthuuusiast]

Demidov looks so good. Cannot wait to see him in Montreal.

 

[dgibb10]

Montreal brass said over and over again that they thought Reinbacher was the BPA at 5.

It’s easy to say after the facts, although it’s still early in both players career. I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Reinbacher can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Michkov considering Montreal current strength and weaknesses

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Silayev can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Demidov considering NJD current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Dickinson can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Demidov considering SJS current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Lindstrom can become a steady two-way force and play 20 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Demidov considering CBJ current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Nemec can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Slafkofsky considering NJD current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Mintyukov can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Slafkofsky considering ANA current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Jiricek can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Slafkofsky considering CBJ current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Alex Vlasic can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Caufield considering CHI current strength and weaknesses.

Just want to make sure these same arguments hold when the flashy, high point player is on MTL (Hutson, Caufield, Demidov, etc) and the less flashy, 2 way player is on another team?

 

[Garbageyuk]

I think superstar will be a stretch for Carlsson's potential but I agree with the sentiment.

I don’t. And I don’t think many teams do either, even after Michkov’s impressive preseason.

Carlsson’s potential is in the mold of players like Sundin, Kopitar, and Barkov. I take that over a small scoring winger every time.

Maybe things go awry and he doesn’t hit that potential, but you have to take the chance for that kind of player - they’re virtually impossible to acquire outside of drafting them.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Silayev can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Demidov considering NJD current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Dickinson can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Demidov considering SJS current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Lindstrom can become a steady two-way force and play 20 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Demidov considering CBJ current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Nemec can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Slafkofsky considering NJD current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Mintyukov can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Slafkofsky considering ANA current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Jiricek can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Slafkofsky considering CBJ current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Alex Vlasic can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Caufield considering CHI current strength and weaknesses.

Just want to make sure these same arguments hold when the flashy, high point player is on MTL (Hutson, Caufield, Demidov, etc) and the less flashy, 2 way player is on another team?

Jesus Christ, you ok?

 

[jfhabs]

Probably?

Michkov-Dach-Demidov
Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield

That top 6 would be ridiculous. And either Michkov/Demidov can also realistically play C. That would move Dach to the 3rd line which could create a whole host of mismatches.

In hindsight I would almost prefer having a guy like Leonard if we're going to fantasize about playoff success.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Lapointe was asked if the Russian/contract issue was a factor and while he did say yes I got the impression that there were a few things about Michkov that Montreal didn't like.

Never said that they were right, but the contract thing just never made sense.

Reinbacher played all of last year in Europe and likely won't be a full timer till 25-26. Was that extra year that important to the habs that they were willing to pass over what they felt was the better player because of it?

I don't think Montreal had eyes on Michkov for a long time before the draft.

So Lapointe admitted it was a factor . … doesn’t really matter if it doesn’t make sense to you . It made sense with the people in charge of making the actual decision .

 

[MoneyManny]

Consider the source of the comment


No need for a player of Michkov’s caliber.
Hilarious

I know, i would love Michkov, it was a hypothetical lol.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Again this is crap. It had nothing to do with his contract. A combination of not liking his character and feeling Reinbacher was the more valuable asset were the liklely reasons.


Reinbacher is likley the more valuable player if he can stay health but that is irrelevant. They presumably felt Michkov was a selfish player. Even if Michkov is putting up big points he may be a loser (like Huberdeau for example).

Thats a lot of presuming and not much if any factual knowledge behind it . Lapointe literally admitted that the contract/ uncertainty did play a role in the decision. Anyway back to Demi. Guy does have a presence/ it factor

 

[Baksfamous112]

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Silayev can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Demidov considering NJD current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Dickinson can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Demidov considering SJS current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Lindstrom can become a steady two-way force and play 20 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Demidov considering CBJ current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Nemec can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Slafkofsky considering NJD current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Mintyukov can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Slafkofsky considering ANA current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Jiricek can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Slafkofsky considering CBJ current strength and weaknesses.

I personally don’t care too much if one player is more skilled/flashy than the other. If Alex Vlasic can become a steady two-way force and play 20-25 hard minutes a night, I’ll take that over a 90-95 points Caufield considering CHI current strength and weaknesses.

Just want to make sure these same arguments hold when the flashy, high point player is on MTL (Hutson, Caufield, Demidov, etc) and the less flashy, 2 way player is on another team?

I think Silayev was a brilliant pick for NJ. You don’t need another Dickinson or Buium when you have Hughes, Hamilton & Nemec to generate offense in your top 4. Silayev should bring grit & good defense (PK work mostly). He fits right in.

And before you say it, yes I think Nemec was the better pick than Cooley although the latter has way more skills and is more dynamic than the former. You already have Hughes, Bratt, Hischier, Mercer & Meier to generate offense and you were pretty thin at the time at RHD after Hamilton.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Probably the third best Russian prospect in the world atm. What a player. Russia's future looks sick Michkov Nikishin and Demidov. Damn.