F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL)
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Ok, I was excited for a minute, then I looked at the first goal…This is not like the scrimmages at NHL camps, this is like the game where Putin was playing with KHL players and ended the game with a million goal.
Thanks for sharing though, i have no clue where you get those.
CristianoRonaldo
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Jack Hughes is at worst a top 2 prospect from the last 7 years behind Bedard.
And in terms of actual NHLers, he's BY FAR the most productive forward drafted since 2018.
People throw him out there like he's an easy thing to reach
SlafySZN
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That’s not even a scrimmage, it’s just an intra squad game for fun with the coaches playing. Rotenberg was playing.
TheKrebsCycle
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Hughes is a total stud but when you’re being compared to Jagr , Mcdavid , Kucherov, Lafleur , Generational level talent in a thread ( among other motsa balls ) Jack is a much more reasonable outcome . I meant Hughes no disrespect .
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TheKrebsCycle
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His incredible production for his age in a tough league combined w an incredible skill set . Being slightly bigger is his only true advantage ( both could be better skaters , but I prefer Michkov technique if pressed ) . I’ve gone more in depth in previous posts , don’t really feel like repeating myself . My opinion is there for your perusal though if you so choose .
HuGo Burner Acc
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Michkov is better offensively and Demidov might be too. The difference is demidov isn't dogwater defensively. Hughes should low-key be on the wing. Hischer is more valuable in a low scoring playoff series
Jamaican Patty
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Agreed he should play wing and not C. Hughes is also extremely soft, weak and injury prone.
I think Jack goes 1st over both of them regardless of their last name but I'm curious why use points/60 and not ppg?
Is it because this favours him more?
I only ask because I find too often people use these kind of stats when the only real stats that matter are actual production.
It's why I find what you're responding to so assinine.
People who compare what a prospect is doing against actual NHLers, drives me nuts.
Whatever a prospect does prior to the NHL means absolutely jack shit, same with people who boast about their teams prospect pool as a pre- cursor to a future NHL dynasty.
The LA kings prospect pool from 2018- 2023 is a perfect example, they were near the top of every ranking and in the end the kings were forced to attempt to build a winner via trades and UFA signings.
The wings and habs may very well be examples of that pretty soon as well imo.
All I hear is Yzerman is some draft guru and a guy like ASP for Hronek was some genius move etc when for the last 2 years he's been pivoting and signing older established players, which I agree with actually. Trading Hronek likely cost the team a playoff spot and ironically wings fans are pining for an RHD to help out MO who regressed last season when he became the undisputed #1.
I actually think Matvei is gonna be a stud and may very well become better than Hughes but he has to actually produce in the NHL first.
Demidov and the hype around him while I can understand it since he's a talented kid but unlike Matvei or even Jack before he made the NHL he's faced weak competition, relative to even his age group.
At least Matvei played against the best 16-19 year olds internationally including Bedard. Demidov plays against JRs from Kazakhstan and Belarus, hardly Sweden, USA or Canada.
This guy you responded to is known to pick-pocket whichever stats benefit his point of view (usually in favors of any NJ players) and ignore the rest because it doesn't fit his own narrative he painted in his own head.
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I’m a Habs fan and don’t think this is true at all, @dgibb10 literally just posts objective stats and does it quite well actually
Presumably era inflation on points.
Although Jack is still way ahead of any player drafted during the recent scoring boom
points/60 is much easier to find sorted with age filters on.
I don't believe a player should be punished because their coach plays them less.
Also I can filter points/60 for EV situations, PP situations, etc to see all the individual aspects, something you can't do with points/game.
I'm sure there's some inherent bias for Devils players in my stuff, which is impossible to avoid.
But my general use of stats is pretty consistent.
I like EV production a LOT.
I like guys who drive possession.
I don't give a lot of weight to guys for simply existing on the PP if they aren't engines, or guys that are engines for ineffective PP units. (same applies to PK).
However I will give a TON of value to guys who are engines of high level PPs, or elite penalty killers. (Eg Kaprizov, Hughes, McDrai, Kuch etc).
I like guys who have good penalty differentials.
And I'm always skeptical of career high shooting%s.
You could argue that if demidov and michkov had North American names, they would have gone ahead of Hughes in a draft. But that’s only based on pre draft Hughes scouting.
If either one of them turn out to be as good as the Hughes we’ve seen of the last 2 years, that would be incredible. Jack is one of the most dynamic players in the league.
If either one of them turn out to be as good as the Hughes we’ve seen of the last 2 years, that would be incredible. Jack is one of the most dynamic players in the league.
MoneyManny
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That looks like a super specific stat sheet.
Who's the highest scoring flat footed 23 and under D-man in the 90's who had a black dog named Roger?
So Gretzky was a nothing when he was in junior because he hadn't played in a pro league yet. When everyone who has seen Demidov play considers him to be a great talent there is nothing to argue.
p/60 is not linear and is not a reliable stat for projection
My problem with points/60 is that it advantages players who plays less minutes because they are not as exhausted during those minutes. 2nd liners have their pts/60 inflated because of that and because their first line of their team is the one drawing attention from the opposing team's best defensive players.
But in this very case Jack is a 1st liner anyway but his playtime might not be as high as other 1st liners due to Hischier being so good. Peoples don't realize that he got in the nhl like 1 year younger than Mich and Demi will.
Hughes has played 20:12 a night over the last 3 years.
Also, I went to points/game and the only thing that changed is Ovechkin moved from 5th to 2nd.
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CDN24
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I find any stat will be affected when you compare players with dissimilar usage. If you are comparing 1st liner to 1st liner, 3rd liner to 3rd liner, or 1st pair to first pair it works. If you compare a 3rd liner on a relatively deep team to a 1st liner on a weaker team and they have a similar P/60 it does not mean that that 3rd liner would have the same numbers if elevated to a 1st line. In his role he his benefiting from playing against a 3rd D-pair most shifts. That 1st liner looks no better than our great 3rd liner on P/60 but he is doing it against the oppositions best d- pair. But if you are comparing players who play the same role, then most stats tell you something
