F Ivan Demidov - SKA St. Petersburg, KHL (2024, 5th, MTL)

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This season has not yet scored points in the competition. And if the lack of points scored in the KHL and VHL does not mean anything, then 0 points in already two MHL matches is alarming - a player of the level of the top 10 of the draft should simply tear apart everyone in the junior league...

Goalie made 46 saves out of 48 SOG, it happens even in junior leagues when you come across a hot goalie, Ivan had 5 SOG that game. There are a lot of games in VHL the next couple of weeks for him, we'll see how good is he.
 
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Bad luck. This injury (and the possibility of getting shifted all over the place by SKA) may hurt his draft stock a bit but worst case scenario I still don’t see him falling out of the top 10. But it does smell like come June, there could be another steal on the offering for a team willing to judge on talent.
 

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Yeah now that we know how shitty of an org SKA is to their 18-20 year old players, I'm going to rely *heavily* on Demidov's D-1 production where his usage was consistent and wasn't messed with
its questionable. yeah. hot topic. Demidov could have issues with health. Michkov, after not being fit with SKA, was sent to Sochi - twice. It doesnt look bad when gm, who could save him in the roster just because he can, let him play in KHL in other organisation. In NHL or in KHL there are much more worser situation with young players when they dont have opportunity to play from their coaches when the things dont going well from the start and nothing happen.

Im not saying that Rotenberg is a good guy/ gm of the year and coach by a will of God, but his hate is way bigger. And its fun. A corrupt tyrant, although in the NHL at the same time every second is someone's brother, matchmaker, wife's husband, fathers and children, as well as friends from college and former colleagues.
He is awkwardly fun and dont understand what and how he is talking, SKA finally isnt playing good and I think its because Rotenberg made to much moves when he had pretty good and young team season ago. The lack of patience played a cruel joke against him.
 
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More chances he will drop to the Flyers hands. But if serious, it sucks big time, I was really looking forward to watch him this season.
 

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Awful news. He looked pretty medicore in his first few games in the mhl and now this
 

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We was playing meh before the injury tho (not the khl games, the couple mhl games)

What now?
It was known Demidov was injured since at least Sept 15th, to what degree nobody knew. It's why he didnt play for 2 weeks. He likely tried to play through the injury on the 1st (VHL) and 5th (MHL) before being shut down.
So, at the very most, he was healthy for 1 MHL game.
 
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its questionable. yeah. hot topic. Demidov could have issues with health. Michkov, after not being fit with SKA, was sent to Sochi - twice. It doesnt look bad when gm, who could save him in the roster just because he can, let him play in KHL in other organisation. In NHL or in KHL there are much more worser situation with young players when they dont have opportunity to play from their coaches when the things dont going well from the start and nothing happen.

Im not saying that Rotenberg is a good guy/ gm of the year and coach by a will of God, but his hate is way bigger. And its fun. A corrupt tyrant, although in the NHL at the same time every second is someone's brother, matchmaker, wife's husband, fathers and children, as well as friends from college and former colleagues.
He is awkwardly fun and dont understand what and how he is talking, SKA finally isnt playing good and I think its because Rotenberg made to much moves when he had pretty good and young team season ago. The lack of patience played a cruel joke against him.

The problem with Rotenberg is that he:
a) wants SKA to be like USA's NTDP for prospects;
b) buys all the veteran talent he can for KHL level.

The two are incompatable with eachother. The junior talent he hoards is rarely given opportunities at KHL level when they are ready.

Despite SKA’s resources, facilities, etc, he's created congestion at every level within the organization.
 

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In terms of player development, the problem with Rotenberg is that he:
a) wants SKA to be like USA's NTDP for prospects;
b) buys all the adult talent he can for KHL level.

The two are incompatable with eachother. The great junior talent he hoards are rarely given opportunities at KHL level when they are ready.

Despite SKA’s resources, great facilities, etc, he's created congestion at every level within the organization.
I know a lot of hockey parents. They wanted to be a part of ska system. Because their development coaches are doing well. Even if regular spot potential isn't clear.
And like we see, it's not a problem for him to loan players.
So its a huge gap between how crazy fans and haters see the situation, and how our hockey can exist now in economic realities and realities if hockey centers where good specialists can and want to work and live.
He isn't good from many sides but his hate is overhyped, especially because he likes to say something stupid by himself.

But im absolutely agree that he did wrong decisions this year when decided to restructure a lot of parts and trade/sign tonns of new players. In the same time there were a lot of young players who were ready to play. They were very good last season.
(I'm not ska fan, i was born and lived most of my life in Moscow region, started to follow for ska because of Bardakov and was surprised with this fun rage from fans).
 
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I know a lot of hockey parents. They wanted to be a part of ska system. Because their development coaches are doing well. Even if regular spot potential isn't clear.
And like we see, it's not a problem for him to loan players.
So its a huge gap between how crazy fans and haters see the situation, and how our hockey can exist now in economic realities and realities if hockey centers where good specialists can and want to work and live.
He isn't good from many sides but his hate is overhyped, especially because he likes to say something stupid by himself.

But im absolutely agree that he did wrong decisions this year when decided to restructure a lot of parts and trade/sign tonns of new players. In the same time there were a lot of young players who were ready to play. They were very good last season.
(I'm not ska fan, i was born and lived most of my life in Moscow region, started to follow for ska because of Bardakov and was surprised with this fun rage from fans).

SKA attracts youth talent because the money and sponsorship is gigantic. So sure, this gives rise to top-quality specialists.
But Rotenberg is merely a political by-product of that funding. And not a good one. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

It’s dudes like Timchenko, and beyond him, Miller, who are responsible for hockey existing/thriving in today’s economic realities.
Roma Rotenberg is just the beneficiary clown.
 
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SKA attracts youth talent because the money and sponsorship is gigantic. So sure, this gives rise to top-quality specialists.
But Rotenberg is merely a political by-product of that funding. And not a good one. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

It’s dudes like Timchenko, and beyond him, Miller, who are responsible for hockey existing/thriving in today’s economic realities.
Roma Rotenberg is just the beneficiary clown.
SKA is basing in a good place to live for specialist and have money. For Russian economics its how it works. There are no real market if there will be no sponsorships from country. Country wants to develop hockey, so they give money. And how much money you will invest in some other places, good specialist from outside will never go to work there because they dont wanna live there. Its just life. There are no alternatives in real life before regions will start to be more attractive for living.
Rotenberg isnt the best or smartest person, but at least he investing, working, participates and creates initiatives. He loves hockey, no matter how weird he would be. This country has known and seen a huge number of people who were simply engaged in robbing and doing nothing.At the same time, as I have already said, despite the fact that many get into the SKA system, Rotenberg sends many to other organizations, as has now happened with Buchelnikov, Michkov and Khusnutdinov. Pure walking evil would save them because it was in his power. Several KHL clubs, in principle, exist on the money of the organization.
And this whole system is absolutely no different from what is happening in Europe in football. There are big clubs that collect all the talents for themselves, and if they didn't take someone away, they buy them for themselves. Because this is the economy of the European major championships. Regardless of the sport. And this discontent in fact is mostly disagreement with how this world works. The KHL is not the NHL and will not be so for a very, very long time, because the infrastructure and economy in Russia are arranged differently.

And, as I have already said, from the point of view of sports development, from the point of view of hockey parents who are interested in their children in different regions, from the point of view of the reality of the possibility of hockey development, it all looks different than from the point of view of couch haters.

As media person he is awkward, as general manager he wasnt as bad but now he is doing a lot of panic moves he shouldnt do from the beggining.
 
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Will hurt his draft stock but being in the Russia development system was already going to be a deterrent to his stock.

I'd say his best case scenario right now would be going at 5.

Celebrini, Eiserman, Levshunov and Dickinson are strong cases to go top 4. Then you have what Silayev is doing.
 
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Will hurt his draft stock but being in the Russia development system was already going to be a deterrent to his stock.

I'd say his best case scenario right now would be going at 5.

Celebrini, Eiserman, Levshunov and Dickinson are strong cases to go top 4. Then you have what Silayev is doing.
If, thanks to this, he avoids getting to Montreal, it will not "hurt his draft stock" - it will help him.
 
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WeThreeKings

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If, thanks to this, he avoids getting to Montreal, it will not "hurt his draft stock" - it will help him.

Yeah, would be terrible if he went to an organization that has transformed their development group into one of the best in the league and for Demidov to learn the offensive game from Martin St Louis.

Would be better to go to Philly and learn how to grind from Tortorella.

We’d just pass on him for someone with second line potential anyway. :confused:

Hahahaha so funny.
 
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