F Dalibor Dvorsky (2023, 10th, STL)

[Goldenhands]

He is missing those highlight skills, but he is such a great overall package. What an amazing leadership vs. Germany. Comparing him to Bergeron or O'Reilly makes sense.

Bergeron, Kopitar and even some Draisaitl when he is on. That kid is in the same mold. Ive had Reinbacher and Dvorsky respectively ranked 5-6 OV for the past 3 months.

 

[Gstank]

I dont think he gets past Van at 11th overall but, I think Detriot will pick him as it seems like Yzerman and Allvin really like to go to the Swedish well in the top 2 rounds of the draft

 

[pgfan66]

It seems like I’m a total outlier here but I actually didn’t think he looked all that good in the two Slovak games I saw, including the one vs. Germany. Of course, this is all relative to what I’d expect from a potential top-10 NHL pick.

The good: His puck control and shiftiness through traffic looked excellent. No flashy highlight-reel toe-drag type stuff, just good puck control with quick hands. Plus, and this is the big one, he knows how to get to the right place at the right time – which is how he scored all of his goals vs. Germany. I also like his shot.

The bad: He frequently carried the puck into pressure and failed to create anything from the shifty puck-carrying mentioned above. I didn’t get the feeling that he made the players around him better. I also didn’t see him take over a game in the sense that he created chance after chance for himself and his teammates. That’s what I’d expect from a guy who could be drafted as high as 5th overall.

For me, he’s probably around 15-20 right now, behind:

Bedard
Carlsson
Fantilli
Michkov
Benson
Moore
Smith
Leonard
Sandin Pelikka
Reinbacher

Then there’s a tier with
Willander
Lindstein
Simashev
Barlow
Sawchyn
Honzek
Dvorsky
Sale

and probably some others.

So while he’s been good, there’s a lot of strong competition for the top 15 spots too.

 

[hellwar9]

I agree with this comment. However, in my opinion Dvorsky doesn't have high end skills, but the overall combination of all his tools is good enough to be in the top 15 and in the future he can be a quality top 6 two-way center, usable in 1PP because of his great shot. There are still aspects he needs to improve and maybe it will take a few more years, but I'm sure he'll play in the NHL one day.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

I agree with this comment. However, in my opinion Dvorsky doesn't have high end skills, but the overall combination of all his tools is good enough to be in the top 15 and in the future he can be a quality top 6 two-way center, usable in 1PP because of his great shot. There are still aspects he needs to improve and maybe it will take a few more years, but I'm sure he'll play in the NHL one day.

Someone here compared him to Josh Norris, i think that comp was spot on!

 

[Egresch]

I dont think he gets past Van at 11th overall but, I think Detriot will pick him as it seems like Yzerman and Allvin really like to go to the Swedish well in the top 2 rounds of the draft

I agree, teams like Stl, Was and Det would definitely be interested. He is a great addition as he can be your PP1 and PK1 center.

 

[UrbanImpact]

He is an Anze Kopitar clone especially during how Kopitar was during his draft year.

 

[Antiillafire]

It seems like I’m a total outlier here but I actually didn’t think he looked all that good in the two Slovak games I saw, including the one vs. Germany. Of course, this is all relative to what I’d expect from a potential top-10 NHL pick.

The good: His puck control and shiftiness through traffic looked excellent. No flashy highlight-reel toe-drag type stuff, just good puck control with quick hands. Plus, and this is the big one, he knows how to get to the right place at the right time – which is how he scored all of his goals vs. Germany. I also like his shot.

The bad: He frequently carried the puck into pressure and failed to create anything from the shifty puck-carrying mentioned above. I didn’t get the feeling that he made the players around him better. I also didn’t see him take over a game in the sense that he created chance after chance for himself and his teammates. That’s what I’d expect from a guy who could be drafted as high as 5th overall.

For me, he’s probably around 15-20 right now, behind:

Bedard
Carlsson
Fantilli
Michkov
Benson
Moore
Smith
Leonard
Sandin Pelikka
Reinbacher

Then there’s a tier with
Willander
Lindstein
Simashev
Barlow
Sawchyn
Honzek
Dvorsky
Sale

and probably some others.

So while he’s been good, there’s a lot of strong competition for the top 15 spots too.

Swap smith and Dvorsky in this tournament. Slovakia probably gets relegated.

 

[theslatcher]

Swap smith and Dvorsky in this tournament. Slovakia probably gets relegated.

...You think a Slovakia with Smith would lose a relegation series against Norway?

 

[Antiillafire]

...You think a Slovakia with Smith would lose a relegation series against Norway?

They would in the relegation game for sure and who knows in a best of 3 game. I don’t think any Slovaks expected us to get relegated a couple years ago with the talent we had on that roster

 

[pgfan66]

Swap smith and Dvorsky in this tournament. Slovakia probably gets relegated.

Lol

 

[Antiillafire]

Lol

You disagree? Present some counter arguments then. Unless of course you’re incredibly high on players like eperjesi, Masnica, Kukumberg.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You disagree? Present some counter arguments then. Unless of course you’re incredibly high on players like eperjesi, Masnica, Kukumberg.

Explain why Smith would be less useful than Dvorsky. Because Dvorsky is more of a goal scorer??

 

[Antiillafire]

Explain why Smith would be less useful than Dvorsky. Because Dvorsky is more of a goal scorer??

I never said Smith would be less useful, I said if you lined up Smith with Masnica and Cedzo (2 players who 99.9% of HF besides a handful of Slovaks and Czechs have actually seen play a decent amount of times and know at all) Slovakia would not have finished where they are in the group. I am not at all saying Dvorsky is a better player than Smith, instead that without the 2 way play of Dvorsky especially in the Czech game (and of course Germany) Slovakia would be in a relegation battle. And that relegation battle would still be there if you inserted Smith instead of Dvorsky.

 

[Eye of Ra]

I never said Smith would be less useful, I said if you lined up Smith with Masnica and Cedzo (2 players who 99.9% of HF besides a handful of Slovaks and Czechs have actually seen play a decent amount of times and know at all) Slovakia would not have finished where they are in the group. I am not at all saying Dvorsky is a better player than Smith, instead that without the 2 way play of Dvorsky especially in the Czech game (and of course Germany) Slovakia would be in a relegation battle. And that relegation battle would still be there if you inserted Smith instead of Dvorsky.

You are overacting. There is more good players on the slovak team than Dvorsky. Yes he stepped up, but if he was gone, someone else would have stepped up. Slovakia is not Latvia, Norway, Sweden.

 

[Antiillafire]

You are overacting. There is more good players on the slovak team than Dvorsky. Yes he stepped up, but if he was gone, someone else would have stepped up. Slovakia is not Latvia, Norway, Sweden.

Our team has 1 singular player ranked in the top 40 in European central scouting, Dvorsky. 1 skater in the top 50 in North America, Strbak who barely slipped in. Zero goalies in the top 10 in either as well.

 

[vlady]

You disagree? Present some counter arguments then. Unless of course you’re incredibly high on players like eperjesi, Masnica, Kukumberg.

there is no counter argument needed. You are claiming something you cannot prove. It's just pure speculation and completely unnecessary.

 

[Pazucha]

With how the Slovak defense played this tournament i could see them getting last place in the group even if you swap Dvorsky with Smith. But they wouldn't lose relegation game against teams like Norway even without Dvorsky or Smith. The team is too good for that.

In my opinion a lot of the players are underperforming in this tournament on the Slovak team. Was hoping for more from forwards like Dej, Kukumberg even from underager Pobezal. Defense looked super shaky all group matches and i would say they looked the worst from Group B.

Luckily Pekarcik is having very good tournament (Jencko, Cedzo, Masnica and ofcourse Dvorsky are playing good)

 

[tobu]

With how the Slovak defense played this tournament i could see them getting last place in the group even if you swap Dvorsky with Smith. But they wouldn't lose relegation game against teams like Norway even without Dvorsky or Smith. The team is too good for that.

In my opinion a lot of the players are underperforming in this tournament on the Slovak team. Was hoping for more from forwards like Dej, Kukumberg even from underager Pobezal. Defense looked super shaky all group matches and i would say they looked the worst from Group B.

Luckily Pekarcik is having very good tournament

I agree that Slovak D looked the worst in Group B. They were caught far too many times falling behind on odd man rushes and almost lost the game vs Germany on that. The offense, especially around Pekarcik and Dvorsky has given Slovakia a chance in every game though, so they are fun to watch.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He is an Anze Kopitar clone especially during how Kopitar was during his draft year.

If Anze Kopitar had arthritis in his wrists and his puck handling was stiff, and he had Justin Williams high-stick his eye and so his playmaking and vision were far more limited.

I don't see Kopitar at all really.. especially since Dvorsky is a shoot first guy and I've never held that impression of Kopitar and I think Dvorsky probably shoots better than Kopitar already.

 

[Egresch]

If Anze Kopitar had arthritis in his wrists and his puck handling was stiff, and he had Justin Williams high-stick his eye and so his playmaking and vision were far more limited.

I don't see Kopitar at all really.. especially since Dvorsky is a shoot first guy and I've never held that impression of Kopitar and I think Dvorsky probably shoots better than Kopitar already.

You just literally pointed one difference between those two. Otherwise:
centers, similar size, strong face-offs, great defensively, work hard along the boards, limited flash skill, limited speed, both will be drafted from Sweden as foreigners, do not have that top offensive potential to be PPG player in NHL.

 

[lanky]

I've seen Kopitar and Norris comparisons in this thread over the past couple days. Is Horvat a reasonable mid-point?

 

[Semaj49]

I've seen Kopitar and Norris comparisons in this thread over the past couple days. Is Horvat a reasonable mid-point?

Or Joel Eriksson-Ek?

 

[Wats]

You just literally pointed one difference between those two. Otherwise:
centers, similar size, strong face-offs, great defensively, work hard along the boards, limited flash skill, limited speed, both will be drafted from Sweden as foreigners, do not have that top offensive potential to be PPG player in NHL.

Am I missing a growth spurt for Dvorsky? Kopitar looks huge on ice, Dvorsky doesn't look more than average.

 

[Hale The Villain]

If Anze Kopitar had arthritis in his wrists and his puck handling was stiff, and he had Justin Williams high-stick his eye and so his playmaking and vision were far more limited.

I don't see Kopitar at all really.. especially since Dvorsky is a shoot first guy and I've never held that impression of Kopitar and I think Dvorsky probably shoots better than Kopitar already.

It's one of the worst comparisons style and potential wise I have seen in some time.

He's not a 6'4 playmaker with high-end talent and vision. Should go without saying.

Dvorsky is more comparable to someone like Lundell.