F Dalibor Dvorsky (2023, 10th, STL)

[Antiillafire]

He was by far the best Slovak forward today. Great 2 way play

 

[alko]

He was by far the best Slovak forward today. Great 2 way play

Imo Sykora was more visible in defense, but still good game for Dvorsky. Another but... Im still waiting more from him.

 

[vildurson]

Imo Sykora was more visible in defense, but still good game for Dvorsky. Another but... Im still waiting more from him.

Yup, this is like first good game out of four games I have seen from him. Kinda not enough.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He actually used his skill and challenging players with it, vs. deferring and just being a shot.

Hope he does more of that going forward.

 

[Nabrules]

Another good game for him today. He’s better 2-way than I thought

 

[95snipes]

Excellent tournament from Dvorsky I thought after looking fairly pedestrian (or not quite ready) the year before. This may a minority opinion, but I don't see a ton separating him and Carlsson. You wish he was a step faster, but everything else looks like it's there. But I suppose if we was a step faster, he probably goes second overall.

I'd have Bedard/Michkov in a tier then Dvorsky/Sale/Carlsson/Fantilli/Yager in a tier.

 

[alko]

Excellent tournament from Dvorsky I thought after looking fairly pedestrian (or not quite ready) the year before. This may a minority opinion, but I don't see a ton separating him and Carlsson. You wish he was a step faster, but everything else looks like it's there. But I suppose if we was a step faster, he probably goes second overall.

I'd have Bedard/Michkov in a tier then Dvorsky/Sale/Carlsson/Fantilli/Yager in a tier.

The skills are there. He is visible on ice, thats for sure. On this tournament he scored only 1 goal and that isn't enough for us, Slovak fans. Lets see, what will he show in 2024 or even 2025 WJC.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Excellent tournament from Dvorsky I thought after looking fairly pedestrian (or not quite ready) the year before. This may a minority opinion, but I don't see a ton separating him and Carlsson. You wish he was a step faster, but everything else looks like it's there. But I suppose if we was a step faster, he probably goes second overall.

I'd have Bedard/Michkov in a tier then Dvorsky/Sale/Carlsson/Fantilli/Yager in a tier.

There's a lot separating him and Carlsson.

Dvorsky really lacks creativity and imagination with the puck. He really isn't a very strong puck handler and gaining the zone isn't the best skill in the world for him. Pretty work-man like playmaking skill.

He's strong, he has a good inside game and a good shot.. but I just don't see a center there.

Carlsson just has way more skill, a top notch play maker, puts defenders on their heels with his skill and mind. A real killer in transition.

 

[vildurson]

There's a lot separating him and Carlsson.

Dvorsky really lacks creativity and imagination with the puck. He really isn't a very strong puck handler and gaining the zone isn't the best skill in the world for him. Pretty work-man like playmaking skill.

He's strong, he has a good inside game and a good shot.. but I just don't see a center there.

Carlsson just has way more skill, a top notch play maker, puts defenders on their heels with his skill and mind. A real killer in transition.

I would like to see more high end pace of play from Dvorsky too. At times it took bit too long from him to make passing plays in the offensive zone.

Note: haven't seen last game since it was bit too late for me but will watch it probably later on.

He is still a riser after this tourney for me but probably around top 15-20 for me right now. (He was around top 25 for me previously.)

 

[95snipes]

There's a lot separating him and Carlsson.

Dvorsky really lacks creativity and imagination with the puck. He really isn't a very strong puck handler and gaining the zone isn't the best skill in the world for him. Pretty work-man like playmaking skill.

He's strong, he has a good inside game and a good shot.. but I just don't see a center there.

Carlsson just has way more skill, a top notch play maker, puts defenders on their heels with his skill and mind. A real killer in transition.

I disagree with the Carlsson separation, but wasn't expecting that to be a popular opinion. For me, Carlsson looks much more like a near finished product, where Dvorsky just seems to be scratching the surface of what he can do.

I also really disagree with most of this post. I think Dvorsky has plenty of skill/vision/IQ/creativity to be a 40-50 assist type of player. If you haven’t seen tape of his Hlinka Gretzky tournament, I’d urge you to do so. For me, he was the more impressive prospect than Slafkovsky and I’m still not convinced that isn’t the case.

Dvorsky has basically been the youngest player on every team he’s played on his whole life. Slovakia pro league at 15. Hlinka Gretzky at 16. Swedish pro league at 16. World Juniors at 16. He’s never played against his peer group on the world stage. When he did play closer to his age group at the J20 level (still youngest on team), his numbers were right in line with guys like Lucas Raymond/Filip Forsberg at the same age.

Dvorsky doesn’t play a style that will allow him to rack up the points as an ’05 on a team like Slovakia where they are outmatched most games (no offense Slovakia fans), but how would he look if he played on a team that dominates possession like Canada or US? I’d bet he'd look really good. How would he look if he switched spots with Will Smith and played USHL competition? I’d bet he'd dominate and would be generating top5 hype.

I see Dvorsky as a pretty good bet to be a 1B center with potential for more. His top speed might prevent him from being a star, but I don’t think it stops him from being an effective NHLer. I think he’ll be similarish to Marco Kasper last year where the NHL teams like him better than the posters here.

Not trying to turn this into a Carlsson thread, but just my take.

 

[debil]

I think he did well all those small things but I expected a bit more explosive big plays. He was most visible in the game with usa.

 

[tmlmatus]

I'm not sure about his offensive projections, truth be told he doesn't seems like the type of player that will drive his own line. But I really liked his two way game, seems to be a smart reliable player.

 

[Rusty7550]

Yeah , I was also surprised by his two way play and overall game without the puck. When he played in U18 national team, it was all offense so its nice to see this.

 

[Goggles]

I went to the tournament in Moncton. I watched Dvorsky a couple of times and Carlson once in the knock out game against Finland. Carlson is a big guy that moves well and can cash in on the dirty goals around the crease. However I think Dvorsky does a lot of the little things that win games. Good passer and playmaker. I can see him eventually as being the guy that makes the others around him better.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

So it appears he got demoted back to the J20 league, where he killed it the last 2 days.

2 goals and an assist in both games.

 

[Egresch]

I just don't see a center there.

Well he is strong on faceoffs with very good defensive awareness which are amazing attributes for a center. He is not a standard center with great puck distribution, but I like him in the middle.
Looking forward to U18 where he finally plays against his peers.

 

[Antiillafire]

The Brad Lambert of the 2023 draft. Lacklustre production in the Allsvenskan, despite getting plenty of opportunity. Was once the clear top of the crop of 2004 and 2005 born Slovaks. It’s looking more and more like he would be behind Slaf, Nemec and Honzek.

While we have seen Honzek take big steps in the past 1.5 years, Dvorsky seems to have just developed physically, and has not matched the development in skill. He is not even playing C with AIK so the positives seem even less.

Watch as he gets drafted by Toronto with pick 32 or something. He will need to have a very good U18 tournament, both him and Molnar.

 

[jj cale]

When I've watched him play I see a player there but not one I'd take top 10 in this draft.

 

[95snipes]

The Brad Lambert of the 2023 draft. Lacklustre production in the Allsvenskan, despite getting plenty of opportunity. Was once the clear top of the crop of 2004 and 2005 born Slovaks. It’s looking more and more like he would be behind Slaf, Nemec and Honzek.

While we have seen Honzek take big steps in the past 1.5 years, Dvorsky seems to have just developed physically, and has not matched the development in skill. He is not even playing C with AIK so the positives seem even less.

Watch as he gets drafted by Toronto with pick 32 or something. He will need to have a very good U18 tournament, both him and Molnar.

Interesting take. I haven't seen his pro games, but I've been watching his J20 tape and he looks really good to me. Miles ahead of guys like Stenberg or Dower Nilsson. His playmaking is not as good as I thought it once was, but he is a good goal scorer and has a plus shot. He actually kind of reminds me of Shane Wright. His skating prevents him from being a star, but I still think he's at least a solid 2nd line center. Still top 10 for me.

 

[Playmaker09]

The Brad Lambert of the 2023 draft. Lacklustre production in the Allsvenskan, despite getting plenty of opportunity. Was once the clear top of the crop of 2004 and 2005 born Slovaks. It’s looking more and more like he would be behind Slaf, Nemec and Honzek.

While we have seen Honzek take big steps in the past 1.5 years, Dvorsky seems to have just developed physically, and has not matched the development in skill. He is not even playing C with AIK so the positives seem even less.

Watch as he gets drafted by Toronto with pick 32 or something. He will need to have a very good U18 tournament, both him and Molnar.

I wouldn't say plenty of opportunity.

He's been playing 3rd line LW most times I've seen him and maybe 30 seconds on the second wave of every PP.

Like Slaf last year, I don't think it's that easy for a U18 foreigner to get a ton of rope in a Men's league.

 

[Goldenhands]

The Brad Lambert of the 2023 draft. Lacklustre production in the Allsvenskan, despite getting plenty of opportunity. Was once the clear top of the crop of 2004 and 2005 born Slovaks. It’s looking more and more like he would be behind Slaf, Nemec and Honzek.

While we have seen Honzek take big steps in the past 1.5 years, Dvorsky seems to have just developed physically, and has not matched the development in skill. He is not even playing C with AIK so the positives seem even less.

Watch as he gets drafted by Toronto with pick 32 or something. He will need to have a very good U18 tournament, both him and Molnar.

I think you are being too harsh on him, he is producing at a 2 PPG pace in J20, which is incredible production level. I watched him in the Allsvenskan the other day and he was alright, the skating is pro level average to slightly below average right now, but thats still pretty good for a draft elible kid who hasnt turned 18 yet.

Dvorsky takes alot of pride at playing a strong, reliable 2-way game and thats physically very demanding, especially at that level, you will never see him cheat on the wrong side of the puck. I like his game, kid is really smart, good puckhandler, puck management, high compete level, good passing and shooting skills, Im expecting his tools to stand out even more as he keeps developing physically, still a baby, hasnt turned 18 yet.

I think he projects well to at least become a strong 2-way center with about 70 pts potential.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Sniper with strong 2-way game, sub-par playmaking ability, most likely a winger. 20-35 goal 50-70 point potential?

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Every guy that plays in men’s league that isn’t scoring at historic level always gets dogged on here while everyone thinks guys sorta lighting up CHL are surefire stars. Personally, I lean towards Dvorsky should be top 15 pick. Admittedly I haven’t seen him play in Sweden, but I was consistently impressed by him at WJC.

 

[Kabetogama]

Dvorsky plays for a team that is a mess and has been a mess for the last ten years. Hardly anyone has become better playing for AIK. Can’t see Dvorsky staying. Where do you think he plays next year?

 

[Takurcitee]

Dvorsky plays for a team that is a mess and has been a mess for the last ten years. Hardly anyone has become better playing for AIK. Can’t see Dvorsky staying. Where do you think he plays next year?

Probably ahl