F Alexis Lafreniere (2020, 1st, NYR) part 4

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And what's so special about Matthews outside his size and shot? He's a big winger with an elite shot but his playmaking/passing are just average for the NHL.

Laf could easily surpass Matthews' career high of 36A.

lol what?? Matthews passing and playmaking is well above average, it shocks me someone could watch him and come away with a take like that.

That and confusing him for a winger i feel like you don't actually watch the player and instead look at stats sheet and somehow think that gives you a valid opinion.
 

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lol what?? Matthews passing and playmaking is well above average, it shocks me someone could watch him and come away with a take like that.

That and confusing him for a winger i feel like you don't actually watch the player and instead look at stats sheet and somehow think that gives you a valid opinion.

Show me clips of his well above average passing. Every game I’ve seen he basically makes the most basic passes. Nylander and Marner are well above average in my eyes. Matthews is just average. Thornton and JT above average still but lower than during their peak years.
 

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It looks like (to me) that Lafreniere is too deferential to his linemates. Whenever he gets the puck, he'll make a deft little pass through a seam and then try to get to the net, but the puck either never arrives or he gets a wack on it before the goalie freezes it. I would like to see him be more selfish and stretch his legs a bit with the puck on his blade, but he seems more committed to not being a weak link on his line than he is adapting his game to the NHL right now. The good news is that his play off the puck is pretty good for a rookie and despite not standing out offensively, he doesn't look lost or out of place.

What makes Lafreniere a unique talent is his economy of skill and his ability to leverage it to maintain possession and generate dangerous scoring chances and it seems like his game right now is in the pupal stage of that - He can recognize where he needs to be or who he has to try and get the puck to, but isn't comfortable/developed enough to use his vision and body language to orchestrate the field in front of him yet. If the early stages of a player like Stutzle is getting caved in possession wise but being able to flash the speed and shot at times, and the early stages of a player like Kakko was looking lost and too slow, but being able to score goals in close to the net simply with his smooth hands, maybe it's time to accept that Lafreniere's ground floor is being able to use his game sense to know where to be to make sure he is in the right spots, but not being able to leverage the rest of his tools to finish the job.

For the record, I'm not worried about him figuring out how to put the pieces together, and I frankly don't care if it takes him a season or two to start making a significant impact. I'll take the relief it should provide on his next contract and enjoy the finished product.
 
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lol what?? Matthews passing and playmaking is well above average, it shocks me someone could watch him and come away with a take like that.

That and confusing him for a winger i feel like you don't actually watch the player and instead look at stats sheet and somehow think that gives you a valid opinion.

The above poster has literally zero idea what they are talking about lol

Winger lol
 
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Show me clips of his well above average passing. Every game I’ve seen he basically makes the most basic passes. Nylander and Marner are well above average in my eyes. Matthews is just average. Thornton and JT above average still but lower than during their peak years.

You are wrong. Period.

Plus this thread is about Laf and not Matthews.
 
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Someone needs to have Laf’s sister fly down to NY and bring his magic underwear. He clearly left them and his mojo back in Quebec.

Seriously, what the hell is going on with this kid. He looks nothing like the player he’s always been.

He's playing against big boys now. Maybe he needs a pair of new big boy underwear. :sarcasm:

In all seriousness I think he just needs a bit of an adjustment period.
 
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You are wrong. Period.

Plus this thread is about Laf and not Matthews.

I bet Laf easily beats “career high 36A Matthews” next season or the season after. Like 40A or more. Heck even Taylor Hall has better playmaking and vision than Matthews.
 

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Show me clips of his well above average passing. Every game I’ve seen he basically makes the most basic passes. Nylander and Marner are well above average in my eyes. Matthews is just average. Thornton and JT above average still but lower than during their peak years.
Jesus dude you really need to stop talking about players you clearly don't watch.





 

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Assists are not a reflection of playmaking skills. You can spouting this nonsense and try to diminish Matthews but nobody buys it.

Honestly it's just silly. I'm not a leafs fan by any means, but Auston Matthews is elite in every sense of the word. I cringe every time he's on the ice because it always seems like there is going to be a quality scoring opportunity. Watching the Sens last 3 games against the leafs when that top line is out there it's like a power play for the leafs every time.
 

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Jesus dude you really need to stop talking about players you clearly don't watch.







The last clip is a nice pass.. but honestly the first one seemed like he was just spinning around and fluked out.

Draisaitl makes 1-2 plays like this every night. Every time I watch the Leafs I see Marner and Nylander make nice passes/plays repeatedly. From Matthews... it's much rarer.
 

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The last clip is a nice pass.. but honestly the first one seemed like he was just spinning around and fluked out.

Draisaitl makes 1-2 plays like this every night. Every time I watch the Leafs I see Marner and Nylander make nice passes/plays repeatedly. From Matthews... it's much rarer.

stop . You asked for clips and he showed you . Just apologize and move on bro..
Not to mention , it’s a sill argument. Matthews is paid to score
 
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The last clip is a nice pass.. but honestly the first one seemed like he was just spinning around and fluked out.

Draisaitl makes 1-2 plays like this every night. Every time I watch the Leafs I see Marner and Nylander make nice passes/plays repeatedly. From Matthews... it's much rarer.

You asked to see clips of him showcasing his vision and I did just that. He is a goal scorer first, so he's not going to look to pass as often as a guy like Marner. But that doesn't mean he's not an excellent passer (which he is).

I mean you thought he was a winger so hard to take any of your comments on him seriously, but that first pass was absolutely intentional.
 

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stop . You asked for clips and he showed you . Just apologize and move on bro..
Not to mention , it’s a sill argument. Matthews is paid to score

No disagreement that Matthews is an elite scorer and an amazing puck protector (and excellent skater). Every player has their flaws...
 

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The last clip is a nice pass.. but honestly the first one seemed like he was just spinning around and fluked out.

Draisaitl makes 1-2 plays like this every night. Every time I watch the Leafs I see Marner and Nylander make nice passes/plays repeatedly. From Matthews... it's much rarer.



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No disagreement that Matthews is an elite scorer and an amazing puck protector (and excellent skater). Every player has their flaws...
The irony in this statement is that Matthews is actually better at passing than skating.

Matthews biggest flaw used to be his defensive game / intensity, but he's made big strides there.

His offensive game is essentially flawless. There are some areas where he is stronger in than others, but he is well above average in every offensive skill.
 
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Haven't read the whole thread but 2 things :

  • The poster claiming Matthews is not a elite passer.. wrong. I'm a Habs fan & hate the Leafs but the guy is elite in pretty much every possible category. Obviously, he's a shooter but his passing is above average, borderline elite, not below or average.

  • Back to Laf, I'm just happy he hasn't been drafted by us, I can only imagine the pressure he'd get if that happened in MTL. I'm still not worried for him, he'll be a great NHLer
 
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