F Adam Fantilli - Univ. of Michigan, NCAA (2023 Draft)

[UrbanImpact]

Rick Nash clone

 

[Kshahdoo]

With this NCAA stats he will go 2nd OA for sure. Natural center, good size, can skate, GMs love such players...

 

[Hale The Villain]

Rick Nash clone

Not nearly as big or powerful

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Whoever brought up that Taylor Hall comparison I wholeheartedly agree.

Can’t stop seeing it watching him play.

 

[Just Linda]

Weren't you in the Bedard thread saying WJC is pretty meaningless when trying to put down Bedard?

I'm noticing this seems to be a fairly common response you have. Rather than engage, bring in new points, and respond accordingly, you post an attempt at a dismissive zinger.

You aren't adding anything to these conversations.

 

[Bfan14]

I'm noticing this seems to be a fairly common response you have. Rather than engage, bring in new points, and respond accordingly, you post an attempt at a dismissive zinger.

You aren't adding anything to these conversations.

I'm just simply asking a question as to why the WJC championship matters here but not regarding Bedard. I've noticed that posters seems to pick and chose when a certain argument or stat matters or not.

To please you, I'll say Fantillis a great prospect, like a C version of Hall. You're also out to lunch thinking any team should ever pick him over Bedard though.

 

[DJB]

Whoever brought up that Taylor Hall comparison I wholeheartedly agree.

Can’t stop seeing it watching him play.

Doesn’t skate like he took a huge dump in his pants though like Hall

 

[Static]

Whoever brought up that Taylor Hall comparison I wholeheartedly agree.

Can’t stop seeing it watching him play.

It's weird that a hart winner has a slightly negative connotation, but that's how it feels.

 

[Bfan14]

It's weird that a hart winner has a slightly negative connotation, but that's how it feels.

Not at all.

Hall was a very consistent first line player before injuries have brought him down a bit the past couple years

Not the greatest of hockey IQ to really elevate his linemates but can do a ton all on his own therefore doesn't need to gave a great supporting cast to still produce

Have seen the same kind of stuff from Fantilli

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Already 1 goal and 3 assists for Fants tonight as Michigan takes apart a poor Badgers team.

 

[Breakers]

I thought his production was suppose to drop?????

 

[Just Linda]

Hes back up to 2 points per game. A truly incredible pace, a feat not done by a draft eligible NCAA player since Kariya.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Hes back up to 2 points per game. A truly incredible pace, a feat not done by a draft eligible NCAA player since Kariya.

That's crazy.

 

[Deleted member 339941]

 

[bsu]

That's crazy.

 

[canuckking1]

He’s an Eichel level prospect hopefully without the attitude issues.

 

[Body Checker]

Don’t be sad second lotto winner…..

 

[Wateredgarden]

Anybody picking in the top three will get a franchise player (unless the third one doesn't pick Michkov).

 

[Dion TheFluff]

this guy has become criminally underrated on HF. Definitely a high 1st overall pick in most other drafts with his size, skating and offensive toolkit package. Lack of IQ is getting blown out of proportion a bit because of a few poor games at the world juniors (even though he was one of the younger players at the tournament).

 

[LetsGoFlyers12]

this guy has become criminally underrated on HF. Definitely a high 1st overall pick in most other drafts with his size, skating and offensive toolkit package. Lack of IQ is getting blown out of proportion a bit because of a few poor games at the world juniors (even though he was one of the younger players at the tournament).

I have those concerns, but I do agree that they are overblown. I see Bedard, Michkov and Fantilli as the easy top 3, and any of them is a 1OA talent in many drafts. Carlsson is great, but the offensive upside isn't in their tier.

2 and 3 is a good debate. Both players are practically polar opposites, and both have been scoring at a historic rate in their leagues. The easy choice is Fantilli for a GM, for many reasons, but I like the way Michkov manipulates the game better. Both amazing talents.

 

[Corso]

2 and 3 is a good debate. Both players are practically polar opposites, and both have been scoring at a historic rate in their leagues. The easy choice is Fantilli for a GM, for many reasons, but I like the way Michkov manipulates the game better. Both amazing talents.

Michkov looks to be pure offense and if he can fix the flaws in his game, he can be a high end offensive franchise winger. Fantilli is the more complete player, he can just do it all. Easily the number one pick in the past several drafts with the exception of Dahlin and maybe Jack Hughes

 

[LetsGoFlyers12]

Michkov looks to be pure offense and if he can fix the flaws in his game, he can be a high end offensive franchise winger. Fantilli is the more complete player, he can just do it all. Easily the number one pick in the past several drafts with the exception of Dahlin and maybe Jack Hughes

Michkov will never have the 200 foot game that Fantilli has, but his hockey sense and poise with the puck is something that can't be taught. The best scorers in the world have that trait, and that's my only concern with Fantilli. I see every tool in the world, but his ability to dictate pace and slow the game down is not there.

He reminds me of Svechnikov in that way. Every tool is high end, but the game never looks slow for him

 

[ozzie]

Michkov will never have the 200 foot game that Fantilli has, but his hockey sense and poise with the puck is something that can't be taught. The best scorers in the world have that trait, and that's my only concern with Fantilli. I see every tool in the world, but his ability to dictate pace and slow the game down is not there.

He reminds me of Svechnikov in that way. Every tool is high end, but the game never looks slow for him

I get the feeling one is available, and one is not available, some uncertainty for sure. Availability is definitely a good skill to have. I do wonder how scared teams will be to draft Michkov, no matter how good he might be. Or how patient teams will be. If it's a full rebuild, maybe a team is happy to wait.

Fantilli has the one thing you can't teach, some size. A lot of up side there for sure, a very interesting prospect.

 

[ijuka]

Tracking draft year stats reeks a bit of cherry picking, since only late birthdays are relevant for that, pretty much. A far more comprehensive image could be gotten by tracking u19 statistics, which would include the entire birth year.

But yes, if the goal is to compare late birthdays to other late birthdays, that's fine. But I think that it'd be more useful to include players such as Jaden Schwartz and Clayton keller and Brock Boeser and, hey, Logan Cooley.

Since right now, this list is just "he's doing better than Eichel".

 

[Just Linda]

Tracking draft year stats reeks a bit of cherry picking, since only late birthdays are relevant for that, pretty much. A far more comprehensive image could be gotten by tracking u19 statistics, which would include the entire birth year.

But yes, if the goal is to compare late birthdays to other late birthdays, that's fine. But I think that it'd be more useful to include players such as Jaden Schwartz and Clayton keller and Brock Boeser and, hey, Logan Cooley.

Since right now, this list is just "he's doing better than Eichel".

Alright. Let's include those players.

Keller - 1.48
Boeser - 1.48
Cooley - 1.33
Schwartz - 1.56

Let's include some other fun names.

Caufield - 1.67
Gaudreau - 1.55
Vesey - .79
Matthew Knies - 1.1
Vanek - 1.3
Gionta - 1.53

I believe that the last time a 19 year old had a better points per game pace than Fantilli was Paul Statsny.

Edit: I screwed up my numbers. Those are 19 year old numbers for most of them, not under 19. He's out performed the 19 year old seasons for most of those players as a 17 year old.