F Adam Fantilli - Univ. of Michigan, NCAA (2023 Draft)

[TheBeastCoast]

Is there a reason why Michigan has played a bunch of dog shit teams to start the season? Impressive numbers regardless.

 

[Lou is God]

Is there a reason why Michigan has played a bunch of dog shit teams to start the season? Impressive numbers regardless.

All the college sports really do this, basketball same story, you'll see some Big 10 team start off 7-0 beating up small schools and then when league play starts they come back crashing to earth and finish the season barely .500.

 

[jj cale]

Being neither Canadian nor American, I can give my point of view. Before the draft, Canadian players are overrated and American players are underrated.

I would disagree with this, in my experience here I'd say players get over rated by many posters of the same nationality across the board, you have to see what posters don't do that and have a good record of just calling what they see.

You've got some of those posters here in this thread, they are giving an honest evaluation at this point in time.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I would disagree with this, in my experience here I'd say players get over rated by many posters of the same nationality across the board, you have to see what posters don't do that and have a good record of just calling what they see.

You've got some of those posters here in this thread, they are giving an honest evaluation at this point in time.

I think nationality is incidental to the "rating" of prospects through the draft year. For instance, there are a lot more eyes, especially in the Canadian media, on the CHL. The USHL and USNTDP even though they are much more heavily scouted/scrutinized now than they were 10 years ago bring up the rear. It's towards the end of the year and after international tournaments that USHL./USNTDP players tend to rise and the vast majority of those players are of course American. Do American fans/posters tend to pump up these prospects? Sure, but we also tend to have more visibility to them.

 

[Belloco]

I would disagree with this, in my experience here I'd say players get over rated by many posters of the same nationality across the board, you have to see what posters don't do that and have a good record of just calling what they see.

You've got some of those posters here in this thread, they are giving an honest evaluation at this point in time.

Take the current topics of the site in the first page and you will see that there are indefinitely more hyped Canadians than Americans.

Compare Cooley versus Wright. Beniers versus Byfield. Nobody talks about Paul Fischer. Will Smith is the only one to talk and still not much. The Americans appear little and late.

At the same time, so maney Canadians are sold on the site as top prospects as they will be selected in the 2nd/3rd round. And it's like that every year.

 

[jj cale]

Take the current topics of the site in the first page and you will see that there are indefinitely more hyped Canadians than Americans.

Compare Cooley versus Wright. Beniers versus Byfield. Nobody talks about Paul Fischer. Will Smith is the only one to talk and still not much. The Americans appear little and late.

At the same time, so maney Canadians are sold on the site as top prospects as they will be selected in the 2nd/3rd round. And it's like that every year.

Well there is more Canadians on this site then anybody so stands to reason. But I wasn't taking about quantity of hypes, I was talking about the nature of why/how prospects are hyped, which come down to nationality for a lot of posters.

That mentality is across the board here and isn't exclusive to one countries fans, it takes time here to sort out the posters who are mostly just calling it how they see it and not on what passport a kid is carrying.

 

[Belloco]

Well there is more Canadians on this site then anybody so stands to reason. But I wasn't taking about quantity of hypes, I was talking about the nature of why/how prospects are hyped, which come down to nationality for a lot of posters.

That mentality is across the board here and isn't exclusive to one countries fans, it takes time here to sort out the posters who are mostly just calling it how they see it and not on what passport a kid is carrying.

Lots of Americans and Europeans on site. I am one of them.

It's related to another reason. Statistical data available. Very little information in the USA while in Canada bantam statistics are visible.

The existence of the CHL (many more teams than in the USHL).

As soon as a Canadian scores 2 points in CHL... the topic goes up. Americans and Russians have less visibility.

 

[Breakers]

Is there a reason why Michigan has played a bunch of dog shit teams to start the season? Impressive numbers regardless.

out of conference games are negotiated the season before, and you can see by the heavy nature of B1G10 games means teams were still a bit cautious with travel restrictions

Western Michigan next weekend out the NCHC and Minnesota should be great weekend series

 

[jj cale]

Lots of Americans and Europeans on site. I am one of them.

It's related to another reason. Statistical data available. Very little information in the USA while in Canada bantam statistics are visible.

The existence of the CHL (many more teams than in the USHL).

As soon as a Canadian scores 2 points in CHL... the topic goes up. Americans and Russians have less visibility.

Of course the topics go up, there are more Canadians here, there are lot's of Americans but still more Canadians and the European contingent here is not nearly as numerous as the Canadian and U.S fan base. You're missing what I am saying, if you don't think an american player ( or whatever nation the player is from) gets hyped up here by American/European posters when one of their guys is playing well or has a good game then you haven't been paying attention. There is more visibility for Canadian players of course, it's the most popular sport in the country and their press covers it more and a bigger percentage of the population are hockey fans.

What I am saying is that here on HF a good chunk of the posters grade prospects at least partially on whether the prospect is from their country or not. A decent amount of time spent on these boards will reveal that.

For me, and I can only speak for myself, the key is to separate the wheat from the chaff concerning posters views on a player regarding nationality bias/honest appraisal of game. I admit, that is sometimes tricky.

Having said that, I don't think actual scouts in the NHL teams organizations give a damn where a player comes from, just the fans, and I think they draft accordingly.

 

[wetcoast]

If he was American the hype would be through the roof as the Eichel to Bedard’s McDavid.

I was thinking about this the other day. although I hope Fantilli has better injury luck going forward but I see it as a 1. Bedard, 2 Fantilli draft right now and the 3rd spot is only wide open due to the contract status of Michov and other elite projectable players.

 

[Belloco]

Of course the topics go up, there are more Canadians here, there are lot's of Americans but still more Canadians and the European contingent here is not nearly as numerous as the Canadian and U.S fan base. You're missing what I am saying, if you don't think an american player ( or whatever nation the player is from) gets hyped up here by American/European posters when one of their guys is playing well or has a good game then you haven't been paying attention. There is more visibility for Canadian players of course, it's the most popular sport in the country and their press covers it more and a bigger percentage of the population are hockey fans.

What I am saying is that here on HF a good chunk of the posters grade prospects at least partially on whether the prospect is from their country or not. A decent amount of time spent on these boards will reveal that.

For me, and I can only speak for myself, the key is to separate the wheat from the chaff concerning posters views on a player regarding nationality bias/honest appraisal of game. I admit, that is sometimes tricky.

Having said that, I don't think actual scouts in the NHL teams organizations give a damn where a player comes from, just the fans, and I think they draft accordingly.

I am European. I know the best Canadians born in 2007/2008/2009. I don't know any Americans, any Russians.

Not a question of nationality. Visibility issue.

 

[jj cale]

I am European. I know the best Canadians born in 2007/2008/2009. I don't know any Americans, any Russians.

Not a question of nationality. Visibility issue.

The Americans are here in the prospects threads, as are the Russians albeit in lesser numbers, and yes that is a visibility issue, but you can't expect fans here to know as much about them can you? I would expect most Russian fans know very little about Canadian or american prospects unless they come here and actually want to know about them and from my experience they seem to have little interest in doing so unless that prospect is in direct competition with one of their own (again with the nationality aspect)

I mean, you're both right and wrong here IMO.

 

[ShotDownInFlames]

If Regina was as stacked as Michigan with the same strength of schedule, Bedard would be putting up silly numbers like Fantilli too.

 

[FireBird71]

Is there a reason why Michigan has played a bunch of dog shit teams to start the season? Impressive numbers regardless.

BU is a Top 10 team

 

[Belloco]

The Americans are here in the prospects threads, as are the Russians albeit in lesser numbers, and yes that is a visibility issue, but you can't expect fans here to know as much about them can you? I would expect most Russian fans know very little about Canadian or american prospects unless they come here and actually want to know about them and from my experience they seem to have little interest in doing so unless that prospect is in direct competition with one of their own (again with the nationality aspect)

I mean, you're both right and wrong here IMO.

Overall, I wanted to come to the fact that generally Canadians are selected lower than expected and Americans are selected higher than expected.

A trend that I see year after year.

 

[jj cale]

Overall, I wanted to come to the fact that generally Canadians are selected lower than expected and Americans are selected higher than expected.

A trend that I see year after year.

Players rise, players fall. I suspect that is a normal course of events with young athletes rather then a trend.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Well, this thread got really unbearable really fast.

 

[Rengorlex]

Much more impressive start to his season than Bedard. It will be interesting to follow how they continue and the WJC will be huge too.

 

[QJL]

If Regina was as stacked as Michigan with the same strength of schedule, Bedard would be putting up silly numbers like Fantilli too.

Michigan has been stacked for a few years. That has included top 5 pick NHL talent like Beniers, Powers, and Johnson.

The second most talented forward at Michigan (Nazar) is not even playing.

Nobody has had a stretch like Fantilli. The hype is warranted.

I agree Bedard would have similar production, but it’s damn impressive nonetheless.

 

[Torts]

Is there a reason why Michigan has played a bunch of dog shit teams to start the season? Impressive numbers regardless.

We played Boston University the second weekend of the regular season.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

We played Boston University the second weekend of the regular season.

True, but also played Lindenwood and Lake Superior State... He's got 11 of his 15 points against them, and all of his goals.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

We played Boston University the second weekend of the regular season.

That is one game. They have played a bunch of trash cans.

 

[wetcoast]

Much more impressive start to his season than Bedard. It will be interesting to follow how they continue and the WJC will be huge too.

I guess it is on the surface but Bedard is leading the WHL in goals and points and doesn't have the supporting cast that Fantilli has in Michigan either but this might start the usual is Bedard really the #1 guy this year type of thread if he can keep up that pace I guess.

Bedard was more impressive at the U18s this year and their individual performances at the WJHC might be interesting to gauge them on as Fantilli does have the "better" pro body.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That is one game. They have played a bunch of trash cans.

They played BU twice.

 

[bishop12]

Fantilli will be better than Eichel.