F Adam Fantilli - Univ. of Michigan, NCAA (2023 Draft)
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Agreed. This isn’t last year’s team with Power, Beniers, Bordeleau, Johnson, Blankenburg, and Brisson. Still a strong squad but it’s not the same team as last year.
Lake Superior isn't always bad. This year they are though.
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Really? When fully healthy they’ll have Fantilli, 4 1st round picks (Luke Hughes, Nazar, McGroaty, Samoskevich), and 8 other drafted players (Casey, Portillo, Truscott, Duke, Hallum, Ciccolini, Draper, Edwards). Pretty damn stacked for an NCAA team.
Obviously they’re not as stacked as last year, with the departure of Beniers, Power, KJ, Brisson, Bordeleau, Blankenburg, Pastujov and Beecher, but that team was beyond insane (despite their upset Frozen Four loss). This year’s Michigan squad are still very loaded for an NCAA team.
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Also, re: the quality of comp questions, they’ve:
- Played Lindenwood twice (4 pts for Fantilli)
- BU twice (4 pts for Fantilli)
- Lake Superior twice (7 pts for Fantilli)
So yeah, 4 soft games, but he tore it up in the 2 against BU too. And he’s outproducing all of his teammates, including guys like Luke Hughes, McGroaty and Samoskevich, by a wide margin. Small sample size, but an extremely impressive start.
- Played Lindenwood twice (4 pts for Fantilli)
- BU twice (4 pts for Fantilli)
- Lake Superior twice (7 pts for Fantilli)
So yeah, 4 soft games, but he tore it up in the 2 against BU too. And he’s outproducing all of his teammates, including guys like Luke Hughes, McGroaty and Samoskevich, by a wide margin. Small sample size, but an extremely impressive start.
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Ah sure, I guess it depends on what you consider “stacked”. I’d say their talent is on the level of an ~top 1-3 team in the nation in your average year, which I consider stacked. This year I’d say it’s between Michigan and Minnesota for the most high end talent.
Wrong. Five (or maybe six depending on Brindley) first round picks on one team is one of the most talented rosters assembled in the last 20+ years. I'd say last year was the most talented college hockey roster ever assembled but this year is pretty darn close once Nazar gets back.
It's "out of the ordinary". It's just that Michigan has been out of the ordinary 3 or 4 years in a row.
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B1G 10 may be talented but until they actual do something it is an extremely overrated conference results wise.
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Their problem is that they have tons of pure talent, but so many of their best players tend to be teenagers who rarely stay all 4 years.
Like, could you imagine how good they'd be if they didn't lose Beniers, Power, Johnson, Bordeleau, Brisson, and Beecher to pro hockey this year?
Would people have said this in August?
Also to be fair Eichel has had some misfortunes as well and I can never forget how disappointed Buffalo management was they Edmonton won the lottery can't help an 18 year old kid.
That being said I think you comment is fair and will be exciting to watch.
I've never ever heard of Lindenwood looked them up a couple a days ago and then completely forgot what I even glanced at but did remember that they have a NHL prospect from the Habs there.
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There were people super high on him but most seemed to have concerns and projected him around 5-8. Quite a few months ago I started watching a handful of the top prospects, before I even got through the players I was starting with, I knew this kid was going atleast 3 off of limited footage. At the time I was thinking he projected as a 1st overall on most draft years.
Still need to dig into him this year, but based upon what I saw back then I wouldn't be surprised if he hits Eichel level. And I feel you, Eichel was a lot better than people seem to remember.
I totally agree with this and was alluding to the public perception after the U17 this summer
Agree with this as well.
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I don't think he's that close to Eichel level.
I don't think Bedard is Eichel level either. Close, but Eichel>Bedard.
I don't think Bedard is Eichel level either. Close, but Eichel>Bedard.
With a post like this, we need you to rank Bedard within the past 10 other 1st overall draft picks.
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I respect your right to an opinion but with regards to Fantilli and Eichel they seem similar in terms of attributes and production; Fantilli doesn’t seem to have the perceived attitude issues that Eichel has though. Eichel perhaps better vision and skating, Fantilli a better finisher.
To your other point, Bédard is clear of both of them by some margin, he’s coming off a season where he put up 100pts as a 16 year old on a non-playoff team
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At 16/17, Fantilli was absolutely not on Eichel's level. Heck, Eichel's 16/17 year old numbers were even better than Bedards:
In their D-1 years:
Eichel (USHL)
24gp 20g 45p
68p 154p pace over 82gp
NHL equivalent: ~48p
Fantilli (USHL)
57gp 37g 74p
53g 106p pace over 82gp
NHL equivalent: ~33p
Bedard (WHL)
62gp 51g 100p
67g 121p pace of 82gp
NHL equivalent: ~41p
Honestly, as a prospect, Eichel was every bit as promising as Bedard, if not more so. He dropped 71p in 40gp in Hockey East - that's a higher PPG than Bedard currently has while playing in a much more difficult league to score in. Bedard would need to score 140-150 points in the WHL this year to match Eichel's NHLe from that season. Factor in Eichel's size and power advantage, and he would probably be drafted ahead of Bedard if they were eligible in the same year. Same goes for Matthews as well.
For the top forward prospects from the 2015 - 2023 drafts, I think the consensus probably would have gone something like this (assuming this is at the start of their respective draft years, and ignoring nationality).
McDavid
Eichel/Matthews
Hughes/Bedard/Michkov
Lafreniere/Wright
Hughes actually had the highest NHLe as a 16 year old of that group and absolutely shredded the U18s, but he was also a bit smaller like Bedard, which hurt his ranking as a prospect. I would call it a coin flip between Bedard and Hughes.
Here is how their D-1 and D0 NHLe's stack up thus far (obviously a small sample for the 2023 guys)
Wright didn't play his 16 year old season, but his 15 year old season was around 30 NHLe and his 17 year old season was around 40, so he probably would have fallen somewhere in that range.
So yeah, Eichel was pretty clearly ahead of Bedard.
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Nice work and comparision I appreciate that but... you absolutely didn´t consider 2 very important things.
1. Bedard is almost 1 year younger than all this group (Eichel, Matthews, Fantilli, Michkov, L.Carlsson...)
2. Bedard´s international success. He did pretty exceptional things on WJC-18, WJC-20... probably better than anyone else on international stage.
So I don´t agree with that above, Eichel wasn´t CLEARLY (??) ahead of Bedard, no...
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