I should have said "Kane and Toews"
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Ok, so you are saying there is no chance of Debrincat signing a deal for under $9m. You are hyper fixating on one possible outcome (of many). And, even if that was true, your understanding of value is about as simple and basic as possible. As I said, you are not worth talking to.
No, nowhere have I said anything like that. What I said is that there is no chance of him signing a contract that doesn't overpay him.
Yeah, clearly there wouldn’t be two GMs at once who would overpay the same player. Also, good thing we have objective, trusted measures for all the things you’re saying.
I have no idea what you are trying to say here, can you restate it in a form that isn't word salad?
…. the suggestion was not to trade all of those pieces for Debrincat.
Nah. I’ve been clear and I know that you have nothing interesting or relevant to say.
"Ottawa would be looking for the following pieces in return."
I didn't think I had to explicitly state that Ottawa wasn't looking for a starting goalie, top 6 winger, top nine winger, #5 DMan, and a top prospect. If I wanted all, I would have said "all".
Hey, fair enough. I thought it was obvious but I clearly could have worded it better. I am just annoyed by 90% of the people posting in here refusing to entertain the premise of the thread which, to your credit, you did not do. I was wrong.
It helps to be precise about what you mean to say. And don't go attacking my ability to read, when you can't be bothered to be precise. I love when OPs want people to interpret things exactly how they intended, then get upset and attack responses. Really mature.
I respect this response. I'm not going to say Debrincat is valueless. The guy has put up some great numbers in his young career.
His QO is 9 so even if he signs a 1 year deal it starts with 9. Your logic therefore is nonexistent here.
You said "even if he signs a 1 year deal it starts with a 9". What I said was essentially "only if he signs a 1 year deal will it start with a 9." Where is my logic is so faulty?
Ok man. The bottom line is unless he signs a team friendly deal he has little to no trade value so all the things you said Ottawa would be looking for in a trade would not be available. That is the underlying point. All your other chatter in this thread means nothing
Ok. Put some actual numbers out there. At what contract does Debrincat have value? At what contract does he have the value to return a good piece or two? Who might be inclined to offer him a contract that would appeal to him? Contribute something!
If Debrincat wants to sign a long term deal at a lower number, he can. It's happened before. We don't know what will happen but some players like long term security [at maybe a million or 1.5 m ish or so less than testing the market) if they like the team/location they are playing in. Further, some players that have gambled on making a short term decision or deal have seen it backfire. Klingberg & Connor Brown are 2 recent examples. You are pretending you are clairvoyant and absolutely know what's going to happen, but you don't know. Don't bother responding to this post. I won't be getting into a pointless back & forth on this.
It's wild... no one has said that him signing his QO is impossible, or even not likely. But, obviously, it is not the only possible outcome... and the point of this thread is to discuss a wide range of outcomes, how that impacts his desirability and value to other teams.
1) Debrincat would absolutely get more than 7mil as a UFA... you can probably look to the Fiala contract, the Landeskog contract (Landeskog is more valuable, but took a hometown discount), even the Forsberg contract to some extent. I am not saying he would get as much as any of them, but I am pretty confident he would receive offers of at least $7.5mil. Lets not forget, this is a 25-year-old who has hit 30 goals three times, including once in just 52 games (32 goals), who is likely on his way to an ~65pt season, and who has a career average of 34 goals and 68pts per 82, all while being in the league since he was 19 years old.
I don’t see him traded this summer. I do see him in a situation where he will need to decide if taking a one year QO of 9 million and then testing free agency will bring him more money over his career than signing a long term deal for less on the cap. Will 9 + his next contract as a UFA be more than if he accepts a long term deal at 7x 8 years?
