Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[Diablo2020]

Jt Miller
Vinny Desharnais
VAN 2025 2nd
OTT 2025 4th
For
Mika Zibanejad
Braden Schneider
NYR 2025 1st

Elias Pettersson
Nils Hoglander
Erik Brannstrom
For
Bo Horvat
Brock Nelson (at 50%)
Danny Nelson
Alex Romanov
NYI 2025 1st


New Canuck Lines:

Heinen - Horvat - Garland
Debrusk - B.Nelson - Boeser
Suter - Zibanejad - Lekkerimaki
Joshua - Blueger - Sherwood
Di Guiseppe

Hughes - Schneider
Romanov - Hronek
Soucy - Myers
Forbort - Juulsen

Lankinen - Demko

Canucks take on two older players both at 8.5m cap hits longterm but also get two top 10 picks as of today and can now roll three center's deep like Tocchet wants.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Keep pretending like you know what you’re talking about there’s almost zero chance another team would be able to beat that deal of cozens/byram if they were to offer it

And, keep pretending you know what you’re talking about.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Players like Tkachuk also never become available. A 100pt 1st line power forward is so rare that there is really only one in the leagues and it’s Matthew Tkachuk. Maybe Rantanen could be argued as a PWF. There are several 100pt centres in the league. Combine that w the fact that Pettersson play has gotten worse and not improved every year like Tkachuk was, and EP doesn’t have close to Tkachuk’s value.

Disagree completely...........While EP certainly isn't winning any awards for consistently lately his defensive game is also Selke worthy............the fact that he players center coupled with his defensive game means he most certainly has close to similar value as Tkachuk.........

 

[Empoleon8771]

Cozens byram and another piece

I mean yeah, that's likely about what it would be.

Pettersson for Cozens, Byram and a prospect like Ostlund seems pretty reasonable on paper.

 

[RWatson29]

And, keep pretending you know what you’re talking about.

You’re calling cozens a 40-50 point guy and byram a 3D when I could be $10k you’ve only watched Canucks vs Sabres games

And hey if we use your logic of cozens being a 40-50 point guy, if you average it out for EP40 and take out the outlier season he’s a 65 point center. But thankfully I don’t use negative logic like some people

 

[Peter Griffin]

I mean yeah, that's likely about what it would be.

Pettersson for Cozens, Byram and a prospect like Ostlund seems pretty reasonable on paper.

Be prepared for certain Buffalo posters to spam your post with laugh reacts.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Jt Miller
Vinny Desharnais
VAN 2025 2nd
OTT 2025 4th
For
Mika Zibanejad
Braden Schneider
NYR 2025 1st

Elias Pettersson
Nils Hoglander
Erik Brannstrom
For
Bo Horvat
Brock Nelson (at 50%)
Danny Nelson
Alex Romanov
NYI 2025 1st


New Canuck Lines:

Heinen - Horvat - Garland
Debrusk - B.Nelson - Boeser
Suter - Zibanejad - Lekkerimaki
Joshua - Blueger - Sherwood
Di Guiseppe

Hughes - Schneider
Romanov - Hronek
Soucy - Myers
Forbort - Juulsen

Lankinen - Demko

Canucks take on two older players both at 8.5m cap hits longterm but also get two top 10 picks as of today and can now roll three center's deep like Tocchet wants.

Don’t think Horvat is hopping on a flight back to Vancouver

 

[Peter Griffin]

You’re calling cozens a 40-50 point guy and byram a 3D when I could be $10k you’ve only watched Canucks vs Sabres games

Cozens is a 40-50 point “center”.

And hey if we use your logic of cozens being a 40-50 point guy, if you average it out for EP40 and take out the outlier season he’s a 65 point center. But thankfully I don’t use negative logic like some people

Pettersson put up 89 points last year. He’s got a longer track record than Cozens. He’s also very solid defensively, garnering significant Selke votes.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You’re calling cozens a 40-50 point guy and byram a 3D when I could be $10k you’ve only watched Canucks vs Sabres games

And hey if we use your logic of cozens being a 40-50 point guy, if you average it out for EP40 and take out the outlier season he’s a 65 point center. But thankfully I don’t use negative logic like some people

I'd call him a 50 point center but that doesn't seem like a far off interpretation of Cozens.

He's a 50 point center with upside right now. Just like Pettersson isn't a 100 point center because he did it once, Cozens isn't a 70 point center because he did it once.

Pettersson is a PPG center with 100 point center upside while Cozens is about a 50 point center with 70 point upside. Byram is an interesting one to discuss, I think he's a very good #3D right now but I'm unsure if his upside is much better than what he is now. I think Cozens, Byram and a prospect for Pettersson is pretty close to a fair deal, although it is a debate how significant that prospect would be.

 

[RWatson29]

Cozens is a 40-50 point “center”.


Pettersson put up 89 points last year.

He’s on pace for 60. He hit 60-65 in most years. If you wanna average it out it’s around 70-75 points.

I'd call him a 50 point center but that doesn't seem like a far off interpretation of Cozens.

He's a 50 point center with upside right now. Just like Pettersson isn't a 100 point center because he did it once, Cozens isn't a 70 point center because he did it once.

I don’t think cozens is a 70 point guy, I think he’s a 55-65 pt guy on an actual competent team once he gets out of this disaster.

 

[Peter Griffin]

He’s on pace for 60. He hit 60-65 in most years. If you wanna average it out it’s around 70-75 points.

440 points in 441GP. His first two 65ish point seasons he missed games. Muuuuuch longer track record being a PPG player than Cozens being anything more than a 40 point guy.

 

[The don godfather]

I'm telling you Boston is gonna swoop in for ep40. They desperate to ignite that putrid scoring power.

 

[Fjordsen]

I mean yeah, that's likely about what it would be.

Pettersson for Cozens, Byram and a prospect like Ostlund seems pretty reasonable on paper.

Be prepared for certain Buffalo posters to spam your post with laugh reacts.

Well, I won't laugh. Although I like Ostlund, but to get EP40 I'm willing to overpay with a prospect, although I would try to maybe extend the deal a little to bring back some young center from the Canucks, like maybe Raty, Idk.

 

[RWatson29]

440 points in 441GP. His first two 65ish point seasons he missed games. Muuuuuch longer track record being a PPG player than Cozens being anything more than a 40 point guy.

do you see who was on the roster the first couple years? Lmao EP would have put up 40 points playing with vinnie hinostroza and Rasmus Asplund.

He’s with Jack Quinn who’s struggling and benson or Peterka who struggle with consistency offensively.

Never had quality line mates

 

[Empoleon8771]

Well, I won't laugh. Although I like Ostlund, but to get EP40 I'm willing to overpay with a prospect, although I would try to maybe extend the deal a little to bring back some young center from the Canucks, like maybe Raty, Idk.

If Hoglander weren't having such a garbage year, I think he'd make a ton of sense for Buffalo to look at getting in that deal. But as is, I can't imagine he has any value right now. I'm not sure what else Vancouver can add in terms of young NHL help in that deal.

 

[Peter Griffin]

do you see who was on the roster the first couple years? Lmao EP would have put up 40 points playing with vinnie hinostroza and Rasmus Asplund.

Have you seen who EP had played with in recent years? Mikheyev and Hoglander were consistent linemates last year.

 

[RWatson29]

If Hoglander weren't having such a garbage year, I think he'd make a ton of sense for Buffalo to look at getting in that deal. But as is, I can't imagine he has any value right now. I'm not sure what else Vancouver can add in terms of young NHL help in that deal.

I mean if a prospect is what pushes the cart over the hill in terms of that deal I’m not going to die on a hill, I mean one not named Kulich/Helenius/Wahlberg and I’d be fine. Have an abundance of prospects anyways, Espically forwards

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Players like Tkachuk also never become available. A 100pt 1st line power forward is so rare that there is really only one in the leagues and it’s Matthew Tkachuk. Maybe Rantanen could be argued as a PWF. There are several 100pt centres in the league. Combine that w the fact that Pettersson play has gotten worse and not improved every year like Tkachuk was, and EP doesn’t have close to Tkachuk’s value.

Not denying the Tkachuk is a unicorn, but the point is Pettersson is a very rare player to come available too.

Yes there are more 90-100pt caliber players in the league, but they never become available. And the thing Pettersson does have is that the position is premium. You can't find 1st line centers on trees either.

Not trying to downplay Tkachuk at all. Your right in your points on him. But I think the Canucks would be looking for as much as anyone has returned if they were to make that move.

He has hit 100 points in 1 season in his career, had 89 points last year and is pacing for 68 points this year. If he was actually a 100 point 1st line center, Vancouver wouldn't even be entertaining moving him.

In fact, Pettersson is almost exactly at 1.00 PPG over his career (440 points in 441 games).

Pettersson has been pacing for 60-something points over the last calendar year since he signed his big extension. He has significant value still, but he also has warts, and it’s disingenuous to act like he doesn’t.

He had 89 points last season in what was considered a bad year. Saddled with players like Mikheyev on his wing. Think about that.

Every player has down stretches. But even this year, he started slow then went on a 15 game stretch where he was like 5th/6th in league scoring & had as many Even strength points as Hart favourite Kaprizov.

The ability hasn't gone anywhere, and the other thing he brings is an elite defensive game. No one's denying he has been inconsistent, but when he's a top 10 center in the league when he's on - that just turned 26 & signed long term. That asset never comes available.

Vancouver doesn't want to move him, this smoke is mostly management trying to give the top guys a kick in the pants imo. It would take as much as anyone has returned in recent memory for them to move Pettersson in particular.

 

[Bridges31]

I'm telling you Boston is gonna swoop in for ep40. They desperate to ignite that putrid scoring power.

I’m not a salary cap wiz by any means but I can’t see how they fit his cap hit

 

[RWatson29]

Have you seen who EP had played with in recent years? Mikheyev and Hoglander were consistent linemates last year.

Yeah that’s not great but atleast those guys can still play and do play in the NHL today.I’m not calling them equal obviously EP is the better player and more talented by a long shot. I just feel like you’re labeling cozens as a 40 point player when he’s just clearly had a down year. That doesn’t mean he’s the player that you’re getting. I think all Sabres fans would rather keep him than trade him for some package. Only way he is moved is in a trade for a better established guy

 

[The don godfather]

I’m not a salary cap wiz by any means but I can’t see how they fit his cap hit

Zacha Coyle etc..

 

[kvladimir]

Not only his health but his relationship with the Sabres was pretty much dead by that point. Neither Miller nor Pettersson have asked to be traded, and every report out there is saying they have a good rapport with management.

There's basically zero chance either is traded for a "good but not top line player".

Right, and - I assume your definition of "top line player" depends on what team you're talking about - what team(s) are willing to give up a top line player for either EP or Miller?

Any deal involving either player is a direction-changer for VAN. I really can't see it happening, despite all the noise...

(ok, ok, to answer that question: Maybe CAR with Necas would count. Maybe. And not for Miller)

 

[fahad203]

Pettersson is going to end up in NY Rangers isn't he?

Both of these teams could use a facelift

 

[Breakers]

Pettersson is going to end up in NY Rangers isn't he?

Both of these teams could use a facelift

assets aint there

like at all

 

[Slats432]

Former players that were on the team have also come out and said there’s no issue.

With the amount of reporting done by about 50 NHL media, I think we would have figured out if it was malarkey by now.

I would say if there is smoke there is fire, but in this case the smoke is like this.