Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[VancouverJagger]

And Petterson has played like a 65 point player for the last calendar year while in the first year of a 93 million dollar contract. Looked like a ghost in the playoffs.

Obviously doesn't have the injury concerns Eichel had (even though there was plenty of data showing that the "experimental" surgery Eichel was having would be successful) but Petterson comes with his own set of concerns. I don't see him having higher value than Eichel did in 2021

Some context here might help...

How much of his time was spent with Hughes on the ice vs not the last year? Put him with Hughes consistently and guess what? His numbers improve dramatically........shocking I know that his point production has dropped a bit playing with Juulsen and the other tomato cans we have on defence.........

Not saying he hasn't been inconsistent......he absolutely has however if you dig a bit you will realize the above is true........our D outside of the top pair has been an absolute tire fire......

 

[RWatson29]

Dobson and Nelson for Miller and Hoglander
Cozens + Byram + anouther piece for Pettersson and Desharnais
Or Powers and Cozens for Pettersson and Desharnais

Cozens byram and another piece

 

[Frank Drebin]

Some context here might help...

How much of his time was spent with Hughes on the ice vs not the last year? Put him with Hughes consistently and guess what? His numbers improve dramatically........shocking I know that his point production has dropped a bit playing with Juulsen and the other tomato cans we have on defence.........

Not saying he hasn't been inconsistent......he absolutely has however if you dig a bit you will realize the above is true........our D outside of the top pair has been an absolute tire fire......

Thats the thing...at 11.6 per year he needs to be the Quinn Hughes on the ice making others look better than they actually are, yes?

 

[VancouverJagger]

Thats the thing...at 11.6 per year he needs to be the Quinn Hughes on the ice making others look better than they actually are, yes?

I agree to a certain extent but he hasn't exactly been playing with Bobby Orr..........Pretty sure if a lot of the ppg players had to play with the players he's been saddled with their numbers would drop dramatically......

 

[Lenny Levino]

I would consider:

Van:
EP40

LA Kings:
Adrian Kempe
Jordan Spence

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

My kid: "Look, Daddy. Teacher says, every time a bell rings there's another awful proposal for JT Miller."
Me: "That's right, that's right. Attaboy, Drury!"

 

[Peter Griffin]

Cozens byram and another piece

I will be “another piece”. A #3 dman and a $7M 40-50 point “maybe” center isn’t some awesome deal.

 

[TageGod]

I will be “another piece”. A #3 dman and a $7M 40-50 point “maybe” center isn’t some awesome deal.

Ignoring the Sabres effect. Everyone gets better when they leave. You should be DYING to acquire Cozens since the Sabres curse will get him a cup this year or next year when traded.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Ignoring the Sabres effect. Everyone gets better when they leave. You should be DYING to acquire Cozens since the Sabres curse will get him a cup this year or next year when traded.

Mittelstadt hasn’t produced any better in Colorado.

 

[TageGod]

Mittelstadt hasn’t produced any better in Colorado.

He was not a core player here. He got good during a contract year and was traded.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

This isn't a good comparison. Eichel's health was up in the air at the time. Nobody knew if they surgery he wanted to do would work / if he'd return to being the same player.

Not only his health but his relationship with the Sabres was pretty much dead by that point. Neither Miller nor Pettersson have asked to be traded, and every report out there is saying they have a good rapport with management.

There's basically zero chance either is traded for a "good but not top line player".

 

[Fjordsen]

Mittelstadt hasn’t produced any better in Colorado.

Wasn't he decent after the trade and in the playoffs? Even early this season he seemed to be scoring a lot, now he's cooled off, maybe he has a hidden injury or a slump, that happens. Cozens is definitely not hopeless, but we have so many kids on the team and another new coach, a lot of instability.

 

[Peter Griffin]

He was not a core player here. He got good during a contract year and was traded.

You literally said “everyone gets better when they leave Buffalo”. It’s an overrated BS statement that is taken as fact because Reinhart broke out with Florida. Even Eichel’s production didn’t take off in Vegas(until this year), he just was inserted onto a good team.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Wasn't he decent after the trade and in the playoffs?

I mean, wasn’t he decent in Buffalo?

Even early this season he seemed to be scoring a lot, now he's cooled off, maybe he has a hidden injury or a slump, that happens. Cozens is definitely not hopeless, but we have so many kids on the team and another new coach, a lot of instability.

I think he just is what he is, a streaky 50-60 point 2nd line center.

 

[TageGod]

You literally said “everyone gets better when they leave Buffalo”. It’s an overrated BS statement that is taken as fact because Reinhart broke out with Florida. Even Eichel’s production didn’t take off in Vegas(until this year), he just was inserted onto a good team.

You forgot Montour. RoR got a playoff MVP. Somehow Bogo made a career, McCabe, etc.

 

[Peter Griffin]

You forgot Montour. RoR got a playoff MVP. Somehow Bogo made a career, McCabe, etc.

Well Montour wasn’t a core player….

Every team has players they move that take off after they leave. I can see what you’re saying facetiously about going on and winning cups given it happened to you guys with Vegas/Florida. It’s just silly so many expect Cozens to replicate his one good season. He could easily just be a flawed, 50 point forward making $7M.

 

[krutovsdonut]

if buffalo was smart, they'd trade dahlin for ep40 and then get the most out of byram and power. i doubt they'd miss a beat defensively. it's absurd and unsustainable to have three left hand dmen of that quality on the same team and the other two would get a huge lift being given a shot to fight it out for the 1d slot.

i don't necessarily think dahlin is a great fit with vancouver and maybe this needs to be a three way trade. but ep40 is a great fit for the sabres bringing a skillset that compliments what they have and a commitment to defence that is valuable. a piece the quality of ep40 does not come on the market often so as buffalo i'd make that work

buffalo are not smart though so they'll ride more guys into the dirt twiddling their thumbs.

 

[tsujimoto74]

if buffalo was smart, they'd trade dahlin for ep40 and then get the most out of byram and power. i doubt they'd miss a beat defensively. it's absurd and unsustainable to have three left hand dmen of that quality on the same team and the other two would get a huge lift being given a shot to fight it out for the 1d slot.

i don't necessarily think dahlin is a great fit with vancouver and maybe this needs to be a three way trade. but ep40 is a great fit for the sabres bringing a skillset that compliments what they have and a commitment to defence that is valuable. a piece the quality of ep40 does not come on the market often so as buffalo i'd make that work

buffalo are not smart though so they'll ride more guys into the dirt twiddling their thumbs.

lmao absolutely not.

 

[Fjordsen]

if buffalo was smart, they'd trade dahlin for ep40 and then get the most out of byram and power. i doubt they'd miss a beat defensively. it's absurd and unsustainable to have three left hand dmen of that quality on the same team and the other two would get a huge lift being given a shot to fight it out for the 1d slot.

i don't necessarily think dahlin is a great fit with vancouver and maybe this needs to be a three way trade. but ep40 is a great fit for the sabres bringing a skillset that compliments what they have and a commitment to defence that is valuable. a piece the quality of ep40 does not come on the market often so as buffalo i'd make that work

buffalo are not smart though so they'll ride more guys into the dirt twiddling their thumbs.

You are wrong, why should we change the best and key player of the team? Without him they can't even win a single game, it would be stupid, Dahlin is very good and not available for trade. You also didn't take into account that Dahlin is LD/RD and is comfortable on either side. Yes, we need to trade one of Byram or Power, but not Dahlin.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Tkachuk is a terrible comparison. Pettersson and Tkachuk couldn't be any more different.

Tkachuk was traded after coming off a 104-point season with zero questions about his ability to return to that form. He was trending up instead of trending down. Plus he's a power forward and NHL GMs salivate over that type of player.

Sure but Pettersson is a 26 year old 100pt 1st line center. These players never come available.

Good top 6 centers in general rarely come available, nvm one like Pettersson.

Eichel was only available due to a career threatening injury. Before that when was the last time a center like this moved? Joe Thornton in 05?

 

[RedHawkDown]

Sure but Pettersson is a 26 year old 100pt 1st line center. These players never come available.

Good top 6 centers in general rarely come available, nvm one like Pettersson.

Eichel was only available due to a career threatening injury. Before that when was the last time a center like this moved? Joe Thornton in 05?

Players like Tkachuk also never become available. A 100pt 1st line power forward is so rare that there is really only one in the leagues and it’s Matthew Tkachuk. Maybe Rantanen could be argued as a PWF. There are several 100pt centres in the league. Combine that w the fact that Pettersson play has gotten worse and not improved every year like Tkachuk was, and EP doesn’t have close to Tkachuk’s value.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Sure but Pettersson is a 26 year old 100pt 1st line center. These players never come available.

Good top 6 centers in general rarely come available, nvm one like Pettersson.

Eichel was only available due to a career threatening injury. Before that when was the last time a center like this moved? Joe Thornton in 05?

He has hit 100 points in 1 season in his career, had 89 points last year and is pacing for 68 points this year. If he was actually a 100 point 1st line center, Vancouver wouldn't even be entertaining moving him.

In fact, Pettersson is almost exactly at 1.00 PPG over his career (440 points in 441 games).

 

[RWatson29]

I will be “another piece”. A #3 dman and a $7M 40-50 point “maybe” center isn’t some awesome deal.

Keep pretending like you know what you’re talking about there’s almost zero chance another team would be able to beat that deal of cozens/byram if they were to offer it

 

[Peter Griffin]

You are wrong, why should we change the best and key player of the team? Without him they can't even win a single game, it would be stupid, Dahlin is very good and not available for trade. You also didn't take into account that Dahlin is LD/RD and is comfortable on either side. Yes, we need to trade one of Byram or Power, but not Dahlin.

Yea from a team that is lucky to have a guy like Hughes, we should know that a defenseman like Dahlin should be considered untouchable.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Sure but Pettersson is a 26 year old 100pt 1st line center. These players never come available.

Good top 6 centers in general rarely come available, nvm one like Pettersson.

Eichel was only available due to a career threatening injury. Before that when was the last time a center like this moved? Joe Thornton in 05?

Pettersson has been pacing for 60-something points over the last calendar year since he signed his big extension. He has significant value still, but he also has warts, and it’s disingenuous to act like he doesn’t.