Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[Diamonddog01]

Watching Mika his entire career in NY essentially, I think he'd thrive with a change of scenery playing second fiddle to Pettersson. He's actually been much better for the Rangers recently. I undertsand why you wouldnt want him though. Hopefuly Allvin and Rutherford agree with me lol.

I would rather trade Miller for future considerations than take Zib back. It's been repeated like 30 times in this thread that the Rangers already offered Zib for Miller and the Canucks declined.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I would rather trade Miller for future considerations than take Zib back. It's been repeated like 30 times in this thread that the Rangers already offered Zib for Miller and the Canucks declined.

To expand on this, I would rather keep Miller and tell him and Pettersson to figure their shit out rather than tank the team’s chances by acquiring Zibanejad’s contract for a #4/5 defenseman.

 

[Lenny Levino]

Yzerman going use this winning streak as an excuse to make zero moves like last year.

(Still holding out hope for Pettersson)

Every day that goes by drives me nuts.

Would you trade Lucas Raymond for EP40?

 

[Paddys Pub]

The conversation probably lasted three seconds

Drury- Hey Patrick. I’ve got a solid offer for you. Mika for Miller. Straight up

Allvin- Hey there champ. That’s a great offer! Let me mull it over.

*Hangs up*

Allvin- Who the hell was that kid?

 

[Frank Drebin]

How would you compare EP's trade value to d-men like Fox, Heiskanen, Josi, or Dahlin? I'm not suggesting a trade, just wondering how people would value the players with contracts in mind. Who would have to add?

About 25% of their value

 

[oceanchild]

According to Friedman, they want a centre back as the first priority. Then they’d probably be looking for a dman, with picks/prospects/salary on either side to balance it out. So what C+D packages could we realistically see?

Mitts + Girard
Cozens + Byram
Zib/Trochek + KAM/Scneider
Coyle + McAvoy
Dobson + Nelson

?

Dobson and Nelson for Miller and Hoglander
Cozens + Byram + anouther piece for Pettersson and Desharnais
Or Powers and Cozens for Pettersson and Desharnais

 

[Snuggs]

Would you trade Lucas Raymond for EP40?

Nah, but I don't think it's a realistic expectation for Vancouver to get better in the short-term moving either Miller/Pettersson. The idea of 'fair' value from another team isn't there to me but... no deals are made yet so we'll see.

Vancouver could fleece someone, I'm just watching. Hoping Yzerman gets a fair deal done.

 

[AvatarAang]

"One gets traded, both get traded, neither gets traded."

Hot take, Elliotte.

And yet Elliotte still managed to get you to make a comment about it

He can make these silly hot takes because it works on people like you

The next time you are upset at Elliotte please try to remember that you are the reason why he continues to do this

 

[Frank Drebin]

Eichel Return: (Traded Nov4, 2021, a few days after his 25th birthday)

Eichel plus conditional 3rd pick in 2023 draft for:
Peyton Krebs (Drafted 17 overall in 2019)
Alex Tuch (25 year old power forward with good draft pedigree with 60+ point potential)
First rounder in 2022
Second Rounder in 2023


Translated to today:
Top 15-20 pick from 2021-2023 drafts
Young top 6 NHL player with potential and good contract
First rounder (20-32) in 2025
Second rounder in 2026

If traded, neither Petterson nor Miller will return a top line or top pairing player. zero chance.

 

[xVolchenkov]

Eichel Return: (Traded Nov4, 2021, a few days after his 25th birthday)

Eichel plus conditional 3rd pick in 2023 draft for:
Peyton Krebs (Drafted 17 overall in 2019)
Alex Tuch (25 year old power forward with good draft pedigree with 60+ point potential)
First rounder in 2022
Second Rounder in 2023


Translated to today:
Top 15-20 pick from 2021-2023 drafts
Young top 6 NHL player with potential and good contract
First rounder (20-32) in 2025
Second rounder in 2026

If traded, neither Petterson nor Miller will return a top line or top pairing player. zero chance.

Eichel held more value than either Petterson or Miller would too.

 

[mdobbs]

Eichel Return: (Traded Nov4, 2021, a few days after his 25th birthday)

Eichel plus conditional 3rd pick in 2023 draft for:
Peyton Krebs (Drafted 17 overall in 2019)
Alex Tuch (25 year old power forward with good draft pedigree with 60+ point potential)
First rounder in 2022
Second Rounder in 2023


Translated to today:
Top 15-20 pick from 2021-2023 drafts
Young top 6 NHL player with potential and good contract
First rounder (20-32) in 2025
Second rounder in 2026

If traded, neither Petterson nor Miller will return a top line or top pairing player. zero chance.

Eichel is not a good comparison, despite 20/20 hindsight. There were questions whether he’d ever recover from his injury

Better comparison is someone like Tkachuk who returned a (seemingly) elite forward, a top 4 D and a 1st

 

[Fjordsen]

Eichel is not a good comparison, despite 20/20 hindsight. There were questions whether he’d ever recover from his injury

Better comparison is someone like Tkachuk who returned a (seemingly) elite forward, a top 4 D and a 1st

This is also a weird comparison. Huberdeau and Weegar were in the same season from UFA, weren't they?

 

[ginner classic]

Eichel Return: (Traded Nov4, 2021, a few days after his 25th birthday)

Eichel plus conditional 3rd pick in 2023 draft for:
Peyton Krebs (Drafted 17 overall in 2019)
Alex Tuch (25 year old power forward with good draft pedigree with 60+ point potential)
First rounder in 2022
Second Rounder in 2023


Translated to today:
Top 15-20 pick from 2021-2023 drafts
Young top 6 NHL player with potential and good contract
First rounder (20-32) in 2025
Second rounder in 2026

If traded, neither Petterson nor Miller will return a top line or top pairing player. zero chance.

Zero?

 

[RedHawkDown]

Eichel is not a good comparison, despite 20/20 hindsight. There were questions whether he’d ever recover from his injury

Better comparison is someone like Tkachuk who returned a (seemingly) elite forward, a top 4 D and a 1st

Tkachuk is a terrible comparison. Pettersson and Tkachuk couldn't be any more different.

Tkachuk was traded after coming off a 104-point season with zero questions about his ability to return to that form. He was trending up instead of trending down. Plus he's a power forward and NHL GMs salivate over that type of player.

 

[Peter Griffin]

This is also a weird comparison. Huberdeau and Weegar were in the same season from UFA, weren't they?

I don’t think Vancouver would shy away from that, assuming they felt they could re-sign the players.

 

[Fjordsen]

I don’t think Vancouver would shy away from that, assuming they felt they could re-sign the players.

Well, you never know, after all, a term is a term, there is always a risk.

 

[Voight]

Eichel Return: (Traded Nov4, 2021, a few days after his 25th birthday)

Eichel plus conditional 3rd pick in 2023 draft for:
Peyton Krebs (Drafted 17 overall in 2019)
Alex Tuch (25 year old power forward with good draft pedigree with 60+ point potential)
First rounder in 2022
Second Rounder in 2023


Translated to today:
Top 15-20 pick from 2021-2023 drafts
Young top 6 NHL player with potential and good contract
First rounder (20-32) in 2025
Second rounder in 2026

If traded, neither Petterson nor Miller will return a top line or top pairing player. zero chance.

This isn't a good comparison. Eichel's health was up in the air at the time. Nobody knew if they surgery he wanted to do would work / if he'd return to being the same player.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Zero?

zero.

 

[nergish]

I think these two things are true:

1. There’s a reason why Canucks fans are okay moving off what we believed to be a franchise player in Pettersson. It will hurt, but we’ve seen enough now to accept a new direction during the Quinn Hughes era. He is a frustrating player for us, but only because few can do what he does when he’s on top of his game. You never quite know which version is going to show up from game-to-game: Golden God Gretzky/Datsyuk hybrid, or sulky Pete who isn’t sure he can beat your 7th Dman 1-on-1.

2. EP40 still has 100 point all star clout, and his trade return will be massive. Say whatever you want about the contract, etc. but if he moves it will be the biggest trade package post-pandemic. Some GM will talk themselves into thinking they’re trading for a top-5 centre in the league. Which he genuinely can be, but he’s just not finding any sort of consistency in Vancouver.

 

[DesertPenguin]

For Buffalo. Power and Cozens does ot get you EP, Garland and Willander.

I'd expect it to be more like Power and Cozens for EP and a 3rd pairing D.

 

[TageGod]

I'd expect it to be more like Power and Cozens for EP and a 3rd pairing D.

1 for 1 swap for Power or don't bother with him. He is nowhere near his prime right now.

 

[Frank Drebin]

This isn't a good comparison. Eichel's health was up in the air at the time. Nobody knew if they surgery he wanted to do would work / if he'd return to being the same player.

And Petterson has played like a 65 point player for the last calendar year while in the first year of a 93 million dollar contract. Looked like a ghost in the playoffs.

Obviously doesn't have the injury concerns Eichel had (even though there was plenty of data showing that the "experimental" surgery Eichel was having would be successful) but Petterson comes with his own set of concerns. I don't see him having higher value than Eichel did in 2021

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Eichel held more value than either Petterson or Miller would too.

He absolutely didn't. He wanted a high risk surgery that th sabres denied. He was sold at an all time low.

 

[Captain Controversy]

While we are discussing tkachuks...Why not try to trade for Brady Tkachuk? Lol

 

[Peter Griffin]

He absolutely didn't. He wanted a high risk surgery that th sabres denied. He was sold at an all time low.

Less term on his deal at the time too. Eichel’s is going to be looking for $14M+ after next season, 4 years into his time with Vegas.