OT: Everything COVID19 - PART 8

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

If they implement a curfew, i hope they have real hard data that they publish that establishes the efficacy of a curfew.

Serious question here... how do you feel about the NHL season starting?

Had a bit of an argument with my wife. She questioned the safety of it, I told her I was pretty sure the players are getting tested every day. She said those fast turnaround tests would be better used keeping long term care facilities saf (ie testing the staff ).

I told her the NHL games would help people's mental health, reduce all the negatives that go along with people being couped up in the winter (depression, suicide, spousal abuse, ....)

She told me to prove that televised hockey had those effects with "real hard data".

And here I am, looking for help.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Serious question here... how do you feel about the NHL season starting?

Had a bit of an argument with my wife. She questioned the safety of it, I told her I was pretty sure the players are getting tested every day. She said those fast turnaround tests would be better used keeping long term care facilities saf (ie testing the staff ).

I told her the NHL games would help people's mental health, reduce all the negatives that go along with people being couped up in the winter (depression, suicide, spousal abuse, ....)

She told me to prove that televised hockey had those effects with "real hard data".

And here I am, looking for help.

Does she still buy things on Amazon? In order for her to get a package delivered, it requires significantly more people putting themselves at risk, compared to re-starting the NHL season. There are millions of people still working, every day, across the supply chain to get you that shampoo.

In the grand scheme of things, re-starting the NHL will have next to no impact on anyone’s health and safety. It’s an incredibly small group of people that’s involved, and an exceptionally controlled environment.

We also don’t have a shortage of rapid tests. They are relatively easy to produce and obtain. The problem is that while many in the private sector have embraced them (they’re not as accurate as PCR tests, they’re good enough to manage outbreaks), the government has not.

Re-starting the NHL would not result in any shortage of testing capacity for frontline workers. One has nothing to do with the other.

And to be frank, very few of the decisions governments are making, and have made, are based on “real hard data”. Most of the data doesn’t exist, and what we have is incomplete.

 

[DrEasy]

Serious question here... how do you feel about the NHL season starting?

Had a bit of an argument with my wife. She questioned the safety of it, I told her I was pretty sure the players are getting tested every day. She said those fast turnaround tests would be better used keeping long term care facilities saf (ie testing the staff ).

I told her the NHL games would help people's mental health, reduce all the negatives that go along with people being couped up in the winter (depression, suicide, spousal abuse, ....)

She told me to prove that televised hockey had those effects with "real hard data".

And here I am, looking for help.

This is only a tongue-in-cheek answer, but I think having our young, fit, attractive, horny athletes in a bubble is a good way from stopping them from partying and spreading COVID.

 

[Xspyrit]

Serious question here... how do you feel about the NHL season starting?

Had a bit of an argument with my wife. She questioned the safety of it, I told her I was pretty sure the players are getting tested every day. She said those fast turnaround tests would be better used keeping long term care facilities saf (ie testing the staff ).

I told her the NHL games would help people's mental health, reduce all the negatives that go along with people being couped up in the winter (depression, suicide, spousal abuse, ....)

She told me to prove that televised hockey had those effects with "real hard data".

And here I am, looking for help.

Tell her to watch Tim Stuetzle play and everything will become clear.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Does she still buy things on Amazon? In order for her to get a package delivered, it requires significantly more people putting themselves at risk, compared to re-starting the NHL season. There are millions of people still working, every day, across the supply chain to get you that shampoo.

In the grand scheme of things, re-starting the NHL will have next to no impact on anyone’s health and safety. It’s an incredibly small group of people that’s involved, and an exceptionally controlled environment.

We also don’t have a shortage of rapid tests. They are relatively easy to produce and obtain. The problem is that while many in the private sector have embraced them (they’re not as accurate as PCR tests, they’re good enough to manage outbreaks), the government has not.

Re-starting the NHL would not result in any shortage of testing capacity for frontline workers. One has nothing to do with the other.

And to be frank, very few of the decisions governments are making, and have made, are based on “real hard data”. Most of the data doesn’t exist, and what we have is incomplete.

Perfect, all very good points. I really wasn't sure if there was a shortage of test capacity that affects the LTC situation... she is very on top of this stuff so just assumed she was right.

Not sure if you saw the post I was responding to, but it stated that the government needed to justify the curfew with hard data, and as your last sentence states "most of the data doesn't exist, and what we have is incomplete". So, good to know where you stand on that point.

And it's completely spurious and irrelevant, but for the record -- no, we never order anything from Amazon. Avoid it like the plague. We did our Christmas shopping 100% from local shops, with one exception -- used online shopping at Indigo to buy some books.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Tell her to watch Tim Stuetzle play and everything will become clear.

She's had no interest in watching hockey since Redden left. Apparently he was (maybe still is) "cute".

 

[pzeeman]

My superstore, in Westboro, currently closes at 11pm. So if it starts closing at 7:30, you’re taking 3.5 hours away.

Most people still work, meaning their shopping hours start at ~4pm. With a curfew, instead of having 7 hours, you’d have 3.5.

So yeah, you’d be basically reducing it in half. But the same amount of people would still be going to the store.

Is it really that busy from 7:30 to 11? I agree there's a bit of extra risk and perhaps a bit of lining up to get in, but that much?

Like I said, it will change people's daily schedules. If you're working at home, go at lunch. Or if you're lucky enough to have flex time, schedule yourself some off time during the day to go. It's a change I made to my schedule in March to run into fewer people.

If you're an on-site worker, I agree that it increases some risk with an inflexible schedule.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Serious question here... how do you feel about the NHL season starting?

Had a bit of an argument with my wife. She questioned the safety of it, I told her I was pretty sure the players are getting tested every day. She said those fast turnaround tests would be better used keeping long term care facilities saf (ie testing the staff ).

I told her the NHL games would help people's mental health, reduce all the negatives that go along with people being couped up in the winter (depression, suicide, spousal abuse, ....)

She told me to prove that televised hockey had those effects with "real hard data".

And here I am, looking for help.

Say “you’re right dear” and then crack open a beer

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Say “you’re right dear” and then crack open a beer

That's pretty much how every argument ends.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

That's pretty much how every argument ends.

Haha same here. Honestly, I’ve been having similar issues with my wife’s side of the family. Everything opinion covid related that isn’t 100% lock it down leads to them saying it causes more spread which leads to more death and that people are idiots and selfish. It’s a circular argument and I’ve just learnt it’s best to no longer talk about it with them.

Edit: I’m sure your conversations with your wife are a lot better and more reasonable lol

 

[DaveMatthew]

Is it really that busy from 7:30 to 11? I agree there's a bit of extra risk and perhaps a bit of lining up to get in, but that much?

Like I said, it will change people's daily schedules. If you're working at home, go at lunch. Or if you're lucky enough to have flex time, schedule yourself some off time during the day to go. It's a change I made to my schedule in March to run into fewer people.

If you're an on-site worker, I agree that it increases some risk with an inflexible schedule.

I typically go between 8:30-9 - and while it’s not packed, it’s busy. So yes, I very much believe that by reducing hours, it’ll be much more crowded between 4-7:30.

“Go at lunch” is easy to say... unless you have kids who’ll be doing virtual learning because they’re also closing schools.

I have yet to see a logical, coherent reason for how an 8pm curfew will do anything to impact spread. People will still have to go to work. People will still have to go do groceries, just in a reduced time window. People who want to break the rules will still do it by gathering before 8pm or on weekends. It’s a lazy idea by incompetent government.

Sure, you’ll prevent some kids from playing on the ODR at night. Congrats, what an achievement.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

I typically go between 8:30-9 - and while it’s not packed, it’s busy. So yes, I very much believe that by reducing hours, it’ll be much more crowded between 4-7:30.

“Go at lunch” is easy to say... unless you have kids who’ll be doing virtual learning because they’re also closing schools.

I have yet to see a logical, coherent reason for how an 8pm curfew will do anything to impact spread. People will still have to go to work. People will still have to go do groceries, just in a reduced time window. People who want to break the rules will still do it by gathering before 8pm or on weekends. It’s a lazy idea by incompetent government.

Sure, you’ll prevent some kids from playing on the ODR at night. Congrats, what an achievement.

A curfew will make people think twice about visiting a friend at night. Police will be able to question why you are out past curfew.

Will it work in slowing the spread? Probably a little. Is it worth living in a “temporary” police state? I’m not sure, I don’t like the idea of it though.

 

[JD1]

Curfews
Lockdowns
People getting ticketed in their own home for being with family

A lot of weird shit

And the science behind it all is a bit fuzzy

 

[Stylizer1]

I typically go between 8:30-9 - and while it’s not packed, it’s busy. So yes, I very much believe that by reducing hours, it’ll be much more crowded between 4-7:30.

“Go at lunch” is easy to say... unless you have kids who’ll be doing virtual learning because they’re also closing schools.

I have yet to see a logical, coherent reason for how an 8pm curfew will do anything to impact spread. People will still have to go to work. People will still have to go do groceries, just in a reduced time window. People who want to break the rules will still do it by gathering before 8pm or on weekends. It’s a lazy idea by incompetent government.

Sure, you’ll prevent some kids from playing on the ODR at night. Congrats, what an achievement.

They still have families going to the grocery store too. How about 1 per family that way more people can get in. I was at Adonis yesterday and a line up of about 20 people waiting to get in. I walk into the store and see what appeared to be a family of 8 walking around together.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Australia’s ‘extreme’ 2nd lockdown curbed coronavirus — here’s what it took
Opinion: I lived through Melbourne’s strict COVID-19 lockdown. My fellow Canadians should consider that approach

 

[Beech]

What is the population percentage over 60 for the countries you've listed compared to Canada?

Population percentage with people with co morbidities?

Probably need some context to have a fair comparison

come on guy..the western world is awfully similar. Travel between nations, cooperation among them, education, business, corporations, agencies, etc. pretty much ensures that most variables are similar if not identical. I do not know how extensively you have traveled, or how extensively you have interacted with many Europeans..We are all the same..Don't compare Canada to Mexico..but Canada to the Netherlands, Canada to Spain. Canada to the bulk of the G20. very similar.

They have done studies..Canada's health system is labelled as "rationing". The social system causes cutbacks so as to ensure everyone gets a piece..Most European nations do better than us. Canada ranked near the bottom of many G20 nations in terms of health care. We have something like 2 hospital beds for every 1000 citizens. It ranks us near the bottom..Do a google search.

yes, we benefit from a ridiculously low population density. That has hurt many other nations. But balancing all things, we have handled this beautifully. A high water mark death day of ~ 250 was blown by, by pretty much every other G20 (and that is based on relative and not absolute). Germany has had >1000. As has the UK. France, Italy have all touched 1000..

Unless something catastrophic occurs in the next 8-9 months. We can easily declare our handling of this as wonderful (From a human life point of view)...Crashing and burning economically, will most likely end us up near the bottom of the G20.

 

[Stylizer1]

Australia’s ‘extreme’ 2nd lockdown curbed coronavirus — here’s what it took
Opinion: I lived through Melbourne’s strict COVID-19 lockdown. My fellow Canadians should consider that approach

Seeing as the virus doesn't do well in warmer climates seems like an easier task down unda.

 

[Sens]

Australia’s ‘extreme’ 2nd lockdown curbed coronavirus — here’s what it took
Opinion: I lived through Melbourne’s strict COVID-19 lockdown. My fellow Canadians should consider that approach

The article did not touch on how to deal with the 100K transport trucks between the USA per month in Ontario

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Seeing as the virus doesn't do well in warmer climates seems like an easier task down unda.

Maybe this is correct but seems to me Arizona, Texas, Florida all had huge increases through the summer

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The article did not touch on how to deal with the 100K transport trucks between the USA per month in Ontario

World peace wasn't covered off either

 

[Sens]

World peace wasn't covered off either

the pro Australia lockdown people never seem to have an answer for Canada’s trade problem...

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

the pro Australia lockdown people never seem to have an answer for Canada’s trade problem...

How many cases are tracked to goods being trucked in to Canada?

 

[Sens]

How many cases are tracked to goods being trucked in to Canada?

70% of cases in Toronto can’t be traced
Theresa Tam calls for stricter COVID-19 lockdown measures in hard-hit provinces

Ontario does not do contract tracing well at all

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

70% of cases in Toronto can’t be traced
Theresa Tam calls for stricter COVID-19 lockdown measures in hard-hit provinces

Ontario does not do contract tracing well at all

It doesn't help that when contract tracing is done it is very easy to simply lie.

 

[Micklebot]

Seeing as the virus doesn't do well in warmer climates seems like an easier task down unda.

Virus seems to be doing pretty well in Florida, California, Texas, and Arizona right now.