OT: Everything COVID19 - PART 7

[Sens]

The lockdowns that you say are not happening? Those are ridiculous?

We gotta be close to a thread-ban here. Please...

The service industry is 80% of Canada’s economy

completely wrecked for big box stores

 

[Sens]

I’m literally watching the Canada Health minister spin how Canada is getting pushed back to the line on the vaccines

and they just got the Q and A short

Canada also does not have an IT System that is instrumental to vaccine roll out and i’s trying to order one

 

[The Lewler]

I do think we are going to have to adjust our thinking on lockdowns soon.

If everyone over 70 gets vaccinated over the next few months, there might be an argument to reduce a lot of restrictions. Covid will still spread, but its impact will be greatly reduced. Once all of the high-risk people are safe, this does get closer to being "just another flu".

I wouldn't even be shocked if they don't ever fully vaccinate the population for covid. They might do all the higher risk people first, and then see all of the deaths, hospitalizations and community spread fall off heavily.

At that point they might just say it's not worth it for the younger people. Complications of covid for them are much lower and might not offset the rare vaccine side effect. The cost effectiveness falls off too if there isn't much community spread by then.

I think it's pretty likely actually that most people under about 30 might not have to get this vaccine in the end.

That is not a position that has scientific support, let alone consensus.

We are only now starting to get attention focus on long-haul / long term sequalae for Covid 19 , but these numbers are appearing to be far and away higher than any long term or serious vaccine side effects.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

I’m literally watching the Canada Health minister spin how Canada is getting pushed back to the line on the vaccines

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What difference does it make? Covid is a joke and no one is obeying the lockdowns anyway.

 

[Sens]

What difference does it make? Covid is a joke and no one is obeying the lockdowns anyway.

as soon as get a vaccine don’t need to mask anymore and the government put a program in place if you get sick taking it.

imma getting as soon as I can than I don’t need to care about any rules anymore

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

as soon as get a vaccine don’t need to mask anymore and the government put a program in place if you get sick taking it.

imma getting as soon as I can than I don’t need to care about any rules anymore

I think if the vaccine gets delayed too long and then you get sick taking it you should be able to charge the government interest on that money you're going to get.

 

[thinkwild]

We need the first cohort getting the vaccines to give us a lot of new info that we still don’t know like whether you can still be infectious after vaccination and whether we will need booster shots every two or 5 years, etc. And of course all the neurological and vascular long hauler issues. Some organs may be getting restricted blood flow and not be able to perform properly, we’ll have to see where it goes.

We see how much stress is caused when lockdown rules don’t seem fair to everyone. That's why i think it is really important that vaccine rollouts appear fair. Rich people, like the NHL, may try to buy vaccines and get ahead of their position in line as determined by those tasked with making that determination. I know on the Sopranos they did an episode about counterfeit vaccines. It is suspected that queue jumpers with money will be very susceptible to counterfeit vaccines.

An interesting question is whether NHL players could provide a boost of confidence to the many vaccine hesitant by publicly getting shots or whether it would be seen as the rich getting unfair advantages. Can the NHL pay the drug company premium prices to skim off a few thousand doses for themselves from those otherwise destined for gov’ts?

It is also an interesting new twist in the foolish obstinance lately which is that the virus is real, but its not a pandemic. Often I think its cause the definition of pandemic isn’t clear. It’s a pandemic because it has spread all over the world. I think the objection to calling it a pandemic is because the death rate seems so low (often thanks to the expensive mitigation protocols the world has taken) that they don’t want to treat it as a dangerous pandemic. Ignorance of the true definition allows it be called not a pandemic I guess. But we are lucky it is not s dangerous as some of the future ones are likely to be.

 

[coladin]

Nope. Not in my adult life.

The flu is actually a serious illness. People get down and out with a cold and say they have the flu.

The one time I got the flu was the year I got the flu shot.

I had never been so sick in my life and it was 1 week. Treacherous cough that felt like knife was stabbing me every time I coughed. High fever, relentless exhaustion. Sounds like COVID doesn't it. This was about 10+ years ago!

I remember the doc telling me " You know when people have diarrhea, throw up, have a fever for 24 hours and say they had the flu bug? That is not the influenza virus. What you have is what is the influenza we are trying to vaccinate." And I still got it!

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

as soon as get a vaccine don’t need to mask anymore and the government put a program in place if you get sick taking it.

imma getting as soon as I can than I don’t need to care about any rules anymore

Not true. You still need to wear a mask.

 

[Sens]

Not true. You still need to wear a mask.

nope... as soon as I get the vaccine I’m done... no longer care

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

nope... as soon as I get the vaccine I’m done... no longer care

Good for you.

 

[coladin]

I think we will require yearly COVID booster shots. At least for 5 years.

The lockdown did very little in Toronto and Peel, I am not sure what any government can do about it. Doug Ford is taking it relentlessly and not sure what more a government can do, other than curtail people's movements. COVID fatigue is real. and we are goin gto see the worst of that fatigue in January and February. I don't know what happened to the rapid testing kits?

I think the holidays are going to be an absolute disaster in Canada, and 10x worse in the US. There are going to be staggering, sobering numbers all over the world. I am starting to think that controlled environments are better than uncontrolled. For instance, keep them in school as long as possible. The kids will be masked. They will not over the holidays. Have restaurants open late, serve booze, etc...it will make people go straight home and avoid that nightcap in someone's home.

I just think there are ways that can control the spread better than lockdowns, which don't work

 

[swiftwin]

It's not viewed as a joke. You're trying to conflate hypocrisy and incompetence with the seriousness of the problem.

Just because Jason Kenney's government is terrible, and/or a significant amount of people in Alberta (insert any jurisdiction here) may have decided to ignore science does nothing to change the reality of the pandemic.

Remember, facts don't care about your feelings or ideology.

I live in Calgary. I don't know where you're getting the idea that a significant amount of people in Alberta are ignoring the science. Like 98% of people I see in public are wearing masks. Kenney has the 2nd lowest approval rating of any Premier right now. The Alberta NDP is leading in the polls. Unlike Ontario where Doug Ford somehow has a 55% approval rating, and that BBQ restaurant guy in Toronto has a big anti-science following.

 

[GCK]

Isn’t there some kind of rule here against endless trolling

 

[swiftwin]

I just find it weird how some people just didn't grow out of their rebellious teenager phase. Like.... grow up already.

 

[Masked]

nope... as soon as I get the vaccine I’m done... no longer care

That implies that you cared at some point, which goes against everything you've posted.

 

[The Lewler]

I live in Calgary. I don't know where you're getting the idea that a significant amount of people in Alberta are ignoring the science. Like 98% of people I see in public are wearing masks. Kenney has the 2nd lowest approval rating of any Premier right now. The Alberta NDP is leading in the polls. Unlike Ontario where Doug Ford somehow has a 55% approval rating, and that BBQ restaurant guy in Toronto has a big anti-science following.

I'm not saying that, I said may and said insert any jurisdiction here. Whether or not the population complies or not, whether or not the government or not, the pandemic and its associated data are real.

 

[Ice-Tray]

This guy has serious issues dealing with grief.

 

[Sens]

It’s not hard for the compromises to self isolate so the rest of society can get back to normal

those are the selfish people

 

[Billy Bridges]

The one time I got the flu was the year I got the flu shot.

I had never been so sick in my life and it was 1 week. Treacherous cough that felt like knife was stabbing me every time I coughed. High fever, relentless exhaustion. Sounds like COVID doesn't it. This was about 10+ years ago!

Its possible you may have felt even worse had you not gotten the flu shot that year.

Getting the flu shot and then get the flu is just bad odds, but not related. The flu or covid vaccine causing the illness is just as likely as a chicken regrowing itself and start clucking inside your stomach after eating a chicken wing

 

[dumbdick]

That is not a position that has scientific support, let alone consensus.

We are only now starting to get attention focus on long-haul / long term sequalae for Covid 19, but these numbers are appearing to be far and away higher than any long term or serious vaccine side effects.

There's still the issue of the vaccination driving down the spread too, though. Viruses both grow and contract at exponential rates. We might find that by the time we get around to vaccinating healthy people under 25 or so, there's just no real community transmission happening anymore.

The expected benefit of a vaccine is a function of both the seriousness of the disease AND the likelihood of getting it. If that likelihood starts to approach zero, you start doing more harm than good by giving people the shots.


EDIT: I should make it clear that I'm not some anti-vaxxer nut. I know that side-effects of approved and tested vaccines are super rare. I was just stating that those super rare side effects could add up a tiny bit when you're giving it to millions and millions of people. In an extreme case those tiny side-effects can outweigh the benefit of a very low-value vaccine (but probably still would only really do harm to a very small number of people).

 

[Stylizer1]

Its possible you may have felt even worse had you not gotten the flu shot that year.

Getting the flu shot and then get the flu is just bad odds, but not related. The flu or covid vaccine causing the illness is just as likely as a chicken regrowing itself and start clucking inside your stomach after eating a chicken wing

it happens to many people.

 

[BankStreetParade]

It’s not hard for the compromises to self isolate so the rest of society can get back to normal

those are the selfish people

You're boring to listen to. I don't know why you keep playing your "greatest hits" over and over and over again. It's pretty clear no one is responding positively.

 

[benjiv1]

You're boring to listen to. I don't know why you keep playing your "greatest hits" over and over and over again. It's pretty clear no one is responding positively.

There’s no vaccine for being a .

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Its possible you may have felt even worse had you not gotten the flu shot that year.

Getting the flu shot and then get the flu is just bad odds, but not related. The flu or covid vaccine causing the illness is just as likely as a chicken regrowing itself and start clucking inside your stomach after eating a chicken wing

That's pretty much what these types of vaccines do....reduce symptoms of the virus. It won't make you immune from it, and you will still shed the virus if you happen to catch the flu or covid.

I have a bad feeling covid will be like the flu, where a different vaxx is made every couple of years for whatever mutation happens.