OT: Everything COVID19 - PART 7

[coladin]

168,000 Moderna vaccines on the way by the end of the month, and 200,000 from Pfizer. This will help out quite a bit

 

[Sens]

She rarely looks at them and when she does she just repeats what is on them. What is controversial here? Many people "read slides" and it's something that teachers and professors constantly harp on their students about.

All offense intended here - you've said you're a cook, right? You follow a step by step guide, right? You have to prepare food, right?

Why on earth would you think a public press conference would be better as a complete riff with no preparation, no data, nothing? They have prepared stuff to talk about. They might even occasionally read from a script they were involved in preparing.

They will take questions after where they are put on the spot.

chief medical people and being told to say whatever “they” want
That’s not how it works... they should be the authority not take orders and say whatever they are told to

 

[Knave]

168,000 Moderna vaccines on the way by the end of the month, and 200,000 from Pfizer. This will help out quite a bit

It will be interesting to see how much can be produced and delivered in those first 3 months. Given how things have gone so far it seems like the Feds have deliberately under-promised and over-delivered so far. Dr. Njoo said 6 million doses by end of March (enough for 3 million people) and claimed that was "optimistic"... but that was before when early January was the timeline. Now we've already started vaccinating.

We'll see.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Guys, I have to say I feel like I’ve been had. I went out for a 90 minute walk this evening and despite all the proclamations of crowds everywhere and people just living their lives like normal from @Sens, I barely saw a single other person.

I walked down long stretches of Bloor and College between 6:30p and 8p while crossing paths with maybe a handful of people.

What gives? I thought the streets were packed? I thought the lockdowns weren’t working? I thought people were defying the restrictions in massive numbers?

How could I have only come across a few people on two of the busiest streets in the city?

Is @Sens...full of it???

He's not full of it.

Barrhaven is as busier as ever.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

He's not full of it.

Barrhaven is as busier as ever.

He’s referring to Toronto, not Ottawa

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

He’s referring to Toronto, not Ottawa

I stand corrected

 

[JD1]

It will be interesting to see how much can be produced and delivered in those first 3 months. Given how things have gone so far it seems like the Feds have deliberately under-promised and over-delivered so far. Dr. Njoo said 6 million doses by end of March (enough for 3 million people) and claimed that was "optimistic"... but that was before when early January was the timeline. Now we've already started vaccinating.

We'll see.

I saw a graphic yesterday saying

2M Canadians by end of March
15 to 18M by end of June
Everyone by end of 2021

That said, you have to think that 18M is probably close to 3/4s of people that want one

 

[Golden_Jet]

I saw a graphic yesterday saying

2M Canadians by end of March
15 to 18M by end of June
Everyone by end of 2021

That said, you have to think that 18M is probably close to 3/4s of people that want one

18 million doses is 9 million people

 

[Ice-Tray]

I’m not sure what the controversy here is.

Numbers are still going up because many people are stupid, and are flouting the guidelines, as illustrated by several in here.

Obviously the numbers would be so much higher if the rest of us weren’t doing the heavy social lifting as usual, and higher still if there were no measures put in place, no matter how lenient.

As for the chief medical officer, has it occurred to folks that perhaps ‘they’ isn’t this scary third party government (apparently trying to reset the global economy to help reduce poverty and increase financial, gender, and racial equality, those bastards), but rather ‘they’ as in the doctors on staff that actually do the bulk of the work and collate the information for the chief to relay to the public...

This thread has so much stupid in it, it’s painful.

 

[Micklebot]

I’m not sure what the controversy here is.

Numbers are still going up because many people are stupid, and are flouting the guidelines, as illustrated by several in here.

Obviously the numbers would be so much higher if the rest of us weren’t doing the heavy social lifting as usual, and higher still if there were no measures put in place, no matter how lenient.

As for the chief medical officer, has it occurred to folks that perhaps ‘they’ isn’t this scary third party government (apparently trying to reset the global economy to help reduce poverty and increase financial, gender, and racial equality, those bastards), but rather ‘they’ as in the doctors on staff that actually do the bulk of the work and collate the information for the chief to relay to the public...

This thread has so much stupid in it, it’s painful.

Clearly "they" are a master race of giant space ants

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

It will be interesting to see how much can be produced and delivered in those first 3 months. Given how things have gone so far it seems like the Feds have deliberately under-promised and over-delivered so far. Dr. Njoo said 6 million doses by end of March (enough for 3 million people) and claimed that was "optimistic"... but that was before when early January was the timeline. Now we've already started vaccinating.

We'll see.

I am pretty optimistic about how quickly vaccines will be distributed, not just in Canada but worldwide.

I won't pretend to know all the production and logistical issues, and how they can be solved. And I think it's good that the government is under promising. That's smart both from their pov, but also helps the population to avoid a roller coaster of emotions.

What I do know though, is that the senior managers at Pfizer and Moderna and every other company that might participate are seeing a-once-in-a-lifetime-chance-to-make-unbelievable-profits. But there are competitors, so the size of those profits are absolutely not guaranteed.

And you will be astonished at how quickly problems can be solved when a-once-in-a-lifetime-chance-to-make-unbelievable-profits presents itself.

 

[mat_sens]

18 million doses is 9 million people

The government stated today that everyone who wants a vaccine in Canada would have it by September 2021. They were talking about people not doses.

 

[JD1]

18 million doses is 9 million people

The graphic was number of people vaccinated

Sorry if that was not clear

 

[Golden_Jet]

The government stated today that everyone who wants a vaccine in Canada would have it by September 2021. They were talking about people not doses.

That is the hope if all goes well, the end of September, and no production problems or any other issues.

 

[The Lewler]

Give me the jab ASAP.

Sounds like there will be an attempt to cascade this via age bracket, which makes sense to me, I'm curious to see how that's managed.

 

[Xspyrit]

What is funny is that some people would be ready to take all kind of drugs but not a vaccine to stop a nasty virus.

 

[Sens]

Guys, I have to say I feel like I’ve been had. I went out for a 90 minute walk this evening and despite all the proclamations of crowds everywhere and people just living their lives like normal from @Sens, I barely saw a single other person.

I walked down long stretches of Bloor and College between 6:30p and 8p while crossing paths with maybe a handful of people.

What gives? I thought the streets were packed? I thought the lockdowns weren’t working? I thought people were defying the restrictions in massive numbers?

How could I have only come across a few people on two of the busiest streets in the city?

Is @Sens...full of it???

 

[pzeeman]

Typical. I spend an hour listening to Premiere Lego and nothing is said about the unique situation of his province's third most populous city.

 

[BankStreetParade]

So, regional lockdowns don't work...

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[pzeeman]

So, regional lockdowns don't work...

Or the "regions" need to be bigger. Borders of at least 100km between urban centres.

In March I read the great metaphor "peeing in a swimming pool"...

 

[DrEasy]

So, regional lockdowns don't work...

And schools being open means you don't really have a lockdown. I understand the reason for keeping schools open, but that's one major difference with the lockdown during the first wave. I was hoping they'd close schools earlier in December and re-open a bit later in January to help a bit. I don't have kids, so maybe this has already been planned and announced?

 

[Golden_Jet]

And schools being open means you don't really have a lockdown. I understand the reason for keeping schools open, but that's one major difference with the lockdown during the first wave. I was hoping they'd close schools earlier in December and re-open a bit later in January to help a bit. I don't have kids, so maybe this has already been planned and announced?

I know someone that is not sending their kids back to school for the first 2 weeks in January, idea is if any family didn't really follow the rules over Christmas, would be found out in the first 2 weeks of school.

 

[Micklebot]

And schools being open means you don't really have a lockdown. I understand the reason for keeping schools open, but that's one major difference with the lockdown during the first wave. I was hoping they'd close schools earlier in December and re-open a bit later in January to help a bit. I don't have kids, so maybe this has already been planned and announced?

There was a recent study out of iceland that showed kids spread covid half as much as adults

Exclusive: Kids catch and spread coronavirus half as much as adults, Iceland study confirms

If their findings are accurate, opening schools is likely a pretty good risk reward tradeoff.

 

[gnr25]

Active cases per 100k people
1. Peel 285
2. Windsor 231
3. Toronto 173
4. Hamilton 128
5. Durham 108
6. Halton 104
7. Eastern Ontario 98
8. York 97

9. Guelph 87
10. London 85
11. Waterloo 78

21. Ottawa 38

Being near 100 is bad. The numbers fluctuate slightly each day, but those top 8 regions are bad.
Hospitals in the GTA and southern Ontario are filling up and sending patients further and further away.

Numbers are found from ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/provinces/ontario


I work in schools and I am unsure if I will work the first two weeks of January.
At the school I have been working at in Ottawa:
1 staff member will visit their parents in Oshawa for Christmas
1 wants to go shopping in Montreal next week
1 will gather with two other couples
1 will gather with their siblings’ families and their father

the two gatherings are in Ottawa among people that have been in the same social circle together for the past 6 months