Value of: Evander Kane To Vancouver

Nucklehead Supreme

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Boy I mist have forgotten that every NHL player must be a perfectly behaved choir boy to play in the league...

Kane's only criminal charge is trespassing. From this thread you'd think he was facing serious jail time.

The Sabres will just keep him for now. They're not trading him unless it makes the team better. Buffalo is going for the playoffs. Tim Murray already said he is going to wait to see how this situation works out before he even thinks about doing anything. He made sure to point out that the last situation involving Kane was a whole bunch of nothing too.
Plus, I believe Tim Murray is in the last year of his contract right now. He's not selling Kane for peanuts after just trading away multiple players and a 1st round pick for him. How would that conversation go when he's talking to Pegula about a contract extension?

Soooooo the only reason he keeps finding himself in less than desirable situations is because he has bad luck? Or everyone who has talked about this is just way over exaggerating the situation, over and over and over again?
 

WeDislikeEich

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Soooooo the only reason he keeps finding himself in less than desirable situations is because he has bad luck? Or everyone who has talked about this is just way over exaggerating the situation, over and over and over again?

No, it's definitely something he brings on himself. And yes, I think this whole Kane situation has been way overblown by a lot of people. It's a story line that gets lots of clicks, so everyone runs with it.

I am just saying that there is no reason for Buffalo to just dump Kane. He's been great on the ice and from all accounts in the locker room too. People are acting like he brings no value to buffalo, when the in reality there would be a big hole in Buffalo's top 6 without him (or a replacement who's on par with him). Feom everything Tim Murray has said, about Kane and going for the playoffs, there is nothing that makes me think they are looking to get rid of Kane, and especially not for any package that makes the Sabres worse.
Honestly, if I had to guess, I think Kane gets a good talking to, maybe at most is sat in the press box for a game or two when the season starts and that'll be about the extent of it.
 

Der Jaeger

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Kane for Vancouver 2017 2nd round pick, Sbisa, Cassels, and Pedan.

Pennies on the dollar for Buffalo, but they re-stock the cupboard with B-grade prospects at center and defense, and get a bottom pairing contributor in Sbisa. Sbisa's contract is the same length as Kane's, but for less money. Buffalo gets something in return for Kane, who while only charged with misdemeanor trespassing, isn't worth the risk.

Vancouver is trading for two years of Kane and taking a risk in doing so. A behaved Kane rounds out the Canuck top two lines well. If Kane works out, Benning is moving nothing out that sets the Canucks back. Sbisa's contract money is better spent on a top 6 winger than a bottom pairing defenseman.

Vancouver gives up lesser talent value but takes on risk. Buffalo passes on risk for lesser talent value.
 

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Detroit might be the only franchise that can whip him into shape.

But then again, they couldn't change [mod], so who knows.
 
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Myth: Evander Kane has a lengthy history of legal trouble
Fact: Kane has been been in trouble with the courts once in his life, a minor trespassing charge due to alleged unruly behavior in a bar.

Myth: Kane issues aren't significant
Fact: Kane has been involved in situations that created embarrassing headlines three times during his year in Buffalo and at several other times during his stint with the Jets. NHL franchises care about their reputations.

Myth: Kane is a terrible teammate.
Fact: He seems to clearly have been disliked by the leadership in Winnipeg. There has been no evidence that is the case so far in Buffalo. Kane has said he likes his teammates in Buffalo and there is some evidence to suggest the feeling is mutual. He expressed contrition over his high-profile missed practice and his teammates seemed to accept that. Tim Murray has talked about a need for him to show leadership by spending more time around the locker room. His commitment to fitness and effort on the ice in Buffalo have not been questioned.

Myth: Kane is 30-goal scorer.
Fact: he's done it once. On average he is a 20-goal scorer.

Myth: Kane isn't that good a player
Fact: he is a tough, elite skater and one of the best forecheckers in the game. His poor playmaking skills prevent him from being a legitimate first liner but he plays hard all the time is tough to play against and scores better than most. On most teams in most games he would be at least their second-best left winger. On many, he would be their best.

Myth: the Sabres are anxious to get rid of him.
Fact: his dickish reputation has a large portion of the NHL fan base ripping him on the Internet, convincing themselves and each other that no team would want him. It also has an equally large portion of the NHL fan base fantasizing he is an undervalued asset ripe for their favourite team to pluck at a bargain-basement cost.

Up until this draft day incident, the Sabres organization has been mostly happy with Kane, his NBA all-star sleep-in notwithstanding. His coach likes him and feeds him tons of ice time. The Buffalo dressing room is as strong and as solid as it has been for years and his teammates seem to have accepted him.

But it is clear that this latest situation, coming during the draft with the eyes of the league on Buffalo and apparently involving disrespectful behavior toward women has moved Kane from core piece to a question mark. It has reawoken questions about the December incident with the woman in his hotel, which had been largely dismissed by all in the know as the result of unfortunate circumstances. It would safest to say that Kane is on notice and will have to prove himself to ownership. But these are the same Pegulas who signed Richie Incognito. They believe in second chances. And for the Sabres - unlike the hockey's future crowd - this is legitimately a second strike situation, not a fourth or fifth.

He'd only get traded for good players like a Tanev or a Virtanen if he could keep his nose clean for an extended period while repeating his career numbers. He'd only get traded for a package of mediocrities like Sbisa and Gaunce if Buffalo was actually desperate to move him.

Right now, Tim Murray would consider an offer that makes the Sabres a better hockey team. He is not interested in your best lowball offer in some imagined fire sale. At least not yet.
 
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notsocommonsense

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Boy I mist have forgotten that every NHL player must be a perfectly behaved choir boy to play in the league...

Kane's only criminal charge is trespassing. From this thread you'd think he was facing serious jail time.

The Sabres will just keep him for now. They're not trading him unless it makes the team better. Buffalo is going for the playoffs. Tim Murray already said he is going to wait to see how this situation works out before he even thinks about doing anything. He made sure to point out that the last situation involving Kane was a whole bunch of nothing too.
Plus, I believe Tim Murray is in the last year of his contract right now. He's not selling Kane for peanuts after just trading away multiple players and a 1st round pick for him. How would that conversation go when he's talking to Pegula about a contract extension?

Buffalo can keep him then, no biggie

But if you think this is all no big deal cuz "he isn't a perfectly behaved choir boy" you're way out to lunch

Kane's problems are much bigger than you seem to grasp
 

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satanphonehome's post says it all. On the other hand, Vancouver would be stupid to give back any real value for him right now, meaning players like Virtanen should be off the table.

Hence, the fit is terrible. And my personal preference is to stay away from him, too. I want him like I'd want Matt Cooke or Tanner Glass..
 

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The guy can play, ask any Buffalo fan. He has had no problems in Buffalo on the ice and in the locker room. I would think Vancouver would have to give up a 1st in 2017 and a high end prospect (maybe Horvat) to land him.
 

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Myth: Evander Kane has a lengthy history of legal trouble
Fact: Kane has been been in trouble with the courts once in his life, a minor trespassing charge due to alleged unruly behavior in a bar.

Myth: Kane issues aren't significant
Fact: Kane has been involved in situations that created embarrassing headlines three times during his year in Buffalo and at several other times during his stint with the Jets. NHL franchises care about their reputations.

Myth: Kane is a terrible teammate.
Fact: He seems to clearly have been disliked by the leadership in Winnipeg. There has been no evidence that is the case so far in Buffalo. Kane has said he likes his teammates in Buffalo and there is some evidence to suggest the feeling is mutual. He expressed contrition over his high-profile missed practice and his teammates seemed to accept that. Tim Murray has talked about a need for him to show leadership by spending more time around the locker room. His commitment to fitness and effort on the ice in Buffalo have not been questioned.

Myth: Kane is 30-goal scorer.
Fact: he's done it once. On average he is a 20-goal scorer.

Myth: Kane isn't that good a player
Fact: he is a tough, elite skater and one of the best forecheckers in the game. His poor playmaking skills prevent him from being a legitimate first liner but he plays hard all the time is tough to play against and scores better than most. On most teams in most games he would be at least their second-best left winger. On many, he would be their best.

Myth: the Sabres are anxious to get rid of him.
Fact: his dickish reputation has a large portion of the NHL fan base ripping him on the Internet, convincing themselves and each other that no team would want him. It also has an equally large portion of the NHL fan base fantasizing he is an undervalued asset ripe for their favourite team to pluck at a bargain-basement cost.

Up until this draft day incident, the Sabres organization has been mostly happy with Kane, his NBA all-star sleep-in notwithstanding. His coach likes him and feeds him tons of ice time. The Buffalo dressing room is as strong and as solid as it has been for years and his teammates seem to have accepted him.

But it is clear that this latest situation, coming during the draft with the eyes of the league on Buffalo and apparently involving disrespectful behavior toward women has moved Kane from core piece to a question mark. It has reawoken questions about the December incident with the woman in his hotel, which had been largely dismissed by all in the know as the result of unfortunate circumstances. It would safest to say that Kane is on notice and will have to prove himself to ownership. But these are the same Pegulas who signed Richie Incognito. They believe in second chances. And for the Sabres - unlike the hockey's future crowd - this is legitimately a second strike situation, not a fourth or fifth.

He'd only get traded for good players like a Tanev or a Virtanen if he could keep his nose clean for an extended period while repeating his career numbers. He'd only get traded for a package of mediocrities like Sbisa and Gaunce if Buffalo was actually desperate to move him.

Right now, Tim Murray would consider an offer that makes the Sabres a better hockey team. He is not interested in your best lowball offer in some imagined fire sale. At least not yet.

The December incident has only been brought up by others who have no idea about anything more than the headline they remember reading. Everyone involved and the police investigator have said there was zero wrong doing and that the woman never even claimed anything. The hospital called the police, not the woman, because of protocol, there was never even a criminal complaint filed.
 

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The guy can play, ask any Buffalo fan. He has had no problems in Buffalo on the ice and in the locker room. I would think Vancouver would have to give up a 1st in 2017 and a high end prospect (maybe Horvat) to land him.

Wow...keep him man. He's a basket case. If you can get a third round pick at half retention you'll be lucky.

I say the sabres keep him to expose him next year
 

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Myth, Feb 16, 2016: ""There were some things this weekend that shouldn't have happened," Kane said Tuesday. "They won't be happening again. I can assure you guys of that.
"I think if you watch me play on the ice, I do take hockey seriously," Kane said. "I think I can take it more seriously. I think going forward you are going to see that out of myself."


FF to just a few months later:



Clearly a good teammate. [/sarcasm]
 

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Buffalo can keep him then, no biggie

But if you think this is all no big deal cuz "he isn't a perfectly behaved choir boy" you're way out to lunch

Kane's problems are much bigger than you seem to grasp

I don't think it's no big deal, and I see that he has issues. There can be middle ground in things without being at one extreme or the other...

All I was trying to say is he isn't some toxic player buffalo is looking to dump at all costs.
 

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Myth: Evander Kane has a lengthy history of legal trouble
Fact: Kane has been been in trouble with the courts once in his life, a minor trespassing charge due to alleged unruly behavior in a bar.

Myth: Kane issues aren't significant
Fact: Kane has been involved in situations that created embarrassing headlines three times during his year in Buffalo and at several other times during his stint with the Jets. NHL franchises care about their reputations.

Myth: Kane is a terrible teammate.
Fact: He seems to clearly have been disliked by the leadership in Winnipeg. There has been no evidence that is the case so far in Buffalo. Kane has said he likes his teammates in Buffalo and there is some evidence to suggest the feeling is mutual. He expressed contrition over his high-profile missed practice and his teammates seemed to accept that. Tim Murray has talked about a need for him to show leadership by spending more time around the locker room. His commitment to fitness and effort on the ice in Buffalo have not been questioned.

Myth: Kane is 30-goal scorer.
Fact: he's done it once. On average he is a 20-goal scorer.

Myth: Kane isn't that good a player
Fact: he is a tough, elite skater and one of the best forecheckers in the game. His poor playmaking skills prevent him from being a legitimate first liner but he plays hard all the time is tough to play against and scores better than most. On most teams in most games he would be at least their second-best left winger. On many, he would be their best.

Myth: the Sabres are anxious to get rid of him.
Fact: his dickish reputation has a large portion of the NHL fan base ripping him on the Internet, convincing themselves and each other that no team would want him. It also has an equally large portion of the NHL fan base fantasizing he is an undervalued asset ripe for their favourite team to pluck at a bargain-basement cost.

Up until this draft day incident, the Sabres organization has been mostly happy with Kane, his NBA all-star sleep-in notwithstanding. His coach likes him and feeds him tons of ice time. The Buffalo dressing room is as strong and as solid as it has been for years and his teammates seem to have accepted him.

But it is clear that this latest situation, coming during the draft with the eyes of the league on Buffalo and apparently involving disrespectful behavior toward women has moved Kane from core piece to a question mark. It has reawoken questions about the December incident with the woman in his hotel, which had been largely dismissed by all in the know as the result of unfortunate circumstances. It would safest to say that Kane is on notice and will have to prove himself to ownership. But these are the same Pegulas who signed Richie Incognito. They believe in second chances. And for the Sabres - unlike the hockey's future crowd - this is legitimately a second strike situation, not a fourth or fifth.

He'd only get traded for good players like a Tanev or a Virtanen if he could keep his nose clean for an extended period while repeating his career numbers. He'd only get traded for a package of mediocrities like Sbisa and Gaunce if Buffalo was actually desperate to move him.

Right now, Tim Murray would consider an offer that makes the Sabres a better hockey team. He is not interested in your best lowball offer in some imagined fire sale. At least not yet.

This sums it up just about perfectly.
 

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Myth, Feb 16, 2016: ""There were some things this weekend that shouldn't have happened," Kane said Tuesday. "They won't be happening again. I can assure you guys of that.
"I think if you watch me play on the ice, I do take hockey seriously," Kane said. "I think I can take it more seriously. I think going forward you are going to see that out of myself."


FF to just a few months later:



Clearly a good teammate. [/sarcasm]


Charming. They can keep him, thanks.
 

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Stop talking about Tanev.
Larsson, an inferior defenceman to tanev, got Taylor Hall.
Prices for defencemen are at an all time high. Tanev is worth so much right now.

I agree that Kane is not worth Tanev, but Larsson is a better Dman than Tanev. The Hall for Larsson deal is not the market setting value that you think it is. Hall scores lots of points but the the oilers still sucked with him and every GM knew it. NJ won the oiler lottery to rip them off to fill their need for a Dman.
 

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When do players ever get trade for even a fraction of what HFB members think? Never. I see a lot of members here trying to downplay his negative value but negative value is exactly what he has. I personally do not believe he is in BUFF by the start of the season and he sure as heck won't be getting the returns that some of our fellow members are coming up with. He's going to be an addition by subtraction for BUFF, I guarantee it. Those thinking he's going to return a top 2 Dman or top prospect are dreaming and only setting themselves up for disappointment. Just watch and see. It happens every time. A player with Kane's rep is not going to return what may be fair value.
 

MikeK

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I agree that Kane is not worth Tanev, but Larsson is a better Dman than Tanev. The Hall for Larsson deal is not the market setting value that you think it is. Hall scores lots of points but the the oilers still sucked with him and every GM knew it. NJ won the oiler lottery to rip them off to fill their need for a Dman.

Of course you think he's a better Dman than Tanev. You're fav team traded Hall for him. LOL. I bet before the trade went down you could probably count on 1 hand the amount of games you've actually watched Larsson play. Don't be such an obvious homer. It doesn't look good.
 

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When do players ever get trade for even a fraction of what HFB members think? Never. I see a lot of members here trying to downplay his negative value but negative value is exactly what he has. I personally do not believe he is in BUFF by the start of the season and he sure as heck won't be getting the returns that some of our fellow members are coming up with. He's going to be an addition by subtraction for BUFF, I guarantee it. Those thinking he's going to return a top 2 Dman or top prospect are dreaming and only setting themselves up for disappointment. Just watch and see. It happens every time. A player with Kane's rep is not going to return what may be fair value.

Just like he was for Winnipeg? Because you see how much they improved in his absence. :shakehead

If all other teams want to offer for Kane is a pittance of what he's worth as a player, I'll happily keep him. I don't really give a rat's ass what he does in the off-season as long as he's ready when the season starts. He's a good hockey player, and I'm glad to have him on the Sabres.
 

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Just like he was for Winnipeg? Because you see how much they improved in his absence. :shakehead

If all other teams want to offer for Kane is a pittance of what he's worth as a player, I'll happily keep him. I don't really give a rat's ass what he does in the off-season as long as he's ready when the season starts. He's a good hockey player, and I'm glad to have him on the Sabres.

Slightly different now compared to when he was being moved out of WPG, isn't it? If you think Kane has the same value now as he did when he was traded to BUFF then I'm not sure what to tell you. He does not and it's clear as day that you're too emotional about the topic to have an honest discussion. Kane will be traded and it won't be for anything close to what you and many others think. Just watch and see.
 

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The guy can play, ask any Buffalo fan. He has had no problems in Buffalo on the ice and in the locker room. I would think Vancouver would have to give up a 1st in 2017 and a high end prospect (maybe Horvat) to land him.

Lol, on what planet does Kane currently pick up that package?!?

We wouldn't do that deal if the guy was an angel
 

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The guy can play, ask any Buffalo fan. He has had no problems in Buffalo on the ice and in the locker room. I would think Vancouver would have to give up a 1st in 2017 and a high end prospect (maybe Horvat) to land him.


Right....... A part from the missing practice to fly to Toronto to watch the All-Star game. Didn't Bylsma make him a healthy scratch after that LOL

& this trade logic

a 4 years younger Bo Horvat who outscored Kane, and throw in a what is most likely a Lottery pick.
:facepalm:

I guess Buffalo is still salty from getting absolutely fleeced by Winnipeg.

Kane <<<<<< Roslovic, Lemieux, Stafford, Armia
 
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Right....... A part from the missing practice to fly to Toronto to watch the All-Star game. Didn't Bylsma make him a healthy scratch after that LOL

& this trade logic

a 4 years younger Bo Horvat who outscored Kane, and throw in a what is most likely a Lottery pick.
:facepalm:

I guess Buffalo is still salty from getting absolutely fleeced by Winnipeg.

Kane <<<<<< Roslovic, Lemieux, Stafford, Armia

He missed practice due to oversleeping. Which many NHLers have done. You think they all oversleep from watching Murder She Wrote til the wee hours? They're athletes. They party.
 

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