ESPN Top 10 Defenseman in the NHL

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Hm no Dahlin..? I guess he hasnt been that good this year..He was a Norris candidate for much of last year, until he fell off a bit towards the end.
There's no way he isn't a top ten defenseman. The situation he's played in this year isn't good, but he's still a great defenseman. Withbthe combination of being on the Ice non stop, bad goaltending for the first half of the season, and nobody being able to score, it's been tough. But he leads the defenseman in goals and still plays great hockey. If the team wasn't near the bottom of the league for scoring, he'd be top 5 in points for defenseman. And if the goalies could stop a beach ball the first half, his +/- would look a lot better.
 
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Cant read full article cause lol espn+, was this based off defense + offense or just defense? (Leaning towards the former)

Cause its weird the top Dman on the 2nd best defensive team isnt there
 

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Cant read full article cause lol espn+, was this based off defense + offense or just defense? (Leaning towards the former)

Cause its weird the top Dman on the 2nd best defensive team isnt there

It was voted on by players and NHL execs
 

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Regarding Makar and Hughes, I think that the voters might be suffering from a bit of primacy bias, which is kind of the opposite of recency bias. They're judging the two players more on the past rather than the present.

Hughes is on top this season in every major category with the exception of points per games played, where he is virtually dead-even with Makar at 1.22 points per game. So, the offensive output for the two players is identical, but on defence, Hughes now has the edge. Just three years ago someone even hinting at this notion would have been referred to as someone who's in need of a wellness check. Not so anymore.

This began three years ago with Hughes recognizing his weaknesses on defence. He then said in the off-season that he was going to address those weaknesses, and he then went out and did exactly that, and then some. His improvement went far beyond what even the most optimistic of Canucks fans thought possible. Then, the next off-season after that, Hughes said that he needed to improve on offence, and again he went out and did exactly that. Now, with his vastly improved points and goal production this season, he is tops in the league.

Jesus, just how high is this guy's ceiling? He's only 24 years old.

The caveat though is that just using the eye test and hard stats, these two elite defencemen are so close in skill level that no one's opinion, be it in favour of Hughes or in favour of Makar, is really wrong. People from both camps have a strong case. It's like trying to choose between a beautifully marbled ribeye, or a bacon-wrapped filet mignon smothered in Béarnaise sauce.

People, this is a rare thing. Normally, when it comes to elite NHL defencemen you'd have one who is a clear cut above everyone else. Not so anymore. I get why Avs fans think Cale Makar is the best in the league, because like Quinn Hughes, he kind of is.
 
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Lightning fans do you still think Hedman is a top 10 defensemen? I’ve read here he has slowed down a bit but I don’t know if I should trust that.
 

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Lightning fans do you still think Hedman is a top 10 defensemen? I’ve read here he has slowed down a bit but I don’t know if I should trust that.
He's a super skilled 6' 7" defenseman with 52 points in 52 games this season so far.
If people say he's slowed down then that's their opinion.
 

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There's no way he isn't a top ten defenseman. The situation he's played in this year isn't good, but he's still a great defenseman. Withbthe combination of being on the Ice non stop, bad goaltending for the first half of the season, and nobody being able to score, it's been tough. But he leads the defenseman in goals and still plays great hockey. If the team wasn't near the bottom of the league for scoring, he'd be top 5 in points for defenseman. And if the goalies could stop a beach ball the first half, his +/- would look a lot better.
He's essentially being punished for playing for an organization whose owner is the single most incompetent and least respected person in the entire sport, a GM whose only qualification was being a lackey of said owner and a coach and staff who have no business having jobs at this level.
 
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10. Doughty
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He's a super skilled 6' 7" defenseman with 52 points in 52 games this season so far.
If people say he's slowed down then that's their opinion.

Why does his 6'7" height matter when he's played like a 5'11" defenseman his entire career?
 

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It looks like ESPN would have the following defense core on a Super-Duper Stacked Team:

Hedman - Makar
Hughes - Fox
Heiskanen - McAvoy
 

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The list is solid, but the more important thing here is that Greg Wyshynski is currently the best hockey writer in the business
 
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So who are some omissions from the article anyways?

it was :
1. Makar
2. Hughes
3. Hesikanen
4. Fox
5. McAvoy
6. Hedman
7. Josi
8. Slavin
9. Morrisey
10. Doughty

Then: the 3 who fell off the list:
Karlsson
Dahlin
Hamilton

Then the HM's:
Dobson
Toews
Letang
Theodore
Pietrangelo
Rielly
Sieder
Ekblad
Sergachev
Faber

Biggest guy missing to me that I notice is Rasmus Andersson or maybe Werenski.
Apparently you’re missing Forsling :laugh:
 

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So who are some omissions from the article anyways?

it was :
1. Makar
2. Hughes
3. Hesikanen
4. Fox
5. McAvoy
6. Hedman
7. Josi
8. Slavin
9. Morrisey
10. Doughty

Then: the 3 who fell off the list:
Karlsson
Dahlin
Hamilton

Then the HM's:
Dobson
Toews
Letang
Theodore
Pietrangelo
Rielly
Sieder
Ekblad
Sergachev
Faber

Biggest guy missing to me that I notice is Rasmus Andersson or maybe Werenski.

Ekblad shouldn't be on the list. I love the guy, but he's not even close to being the best defenseman on the Panthers.
 
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