ESPN Top 10 Defenseman in the NHL

[CanadienShark]

How last year's Norris winner has fallen.

But he could be on this list.

If Sully wasn't trying to "get him to play the right way."

He should play like a Norris contender this year if he wants to be compared to this year's Norris contenders. The trophy isn't about previous years.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

AN ESPN article, where, the list, seems to be decent. Amazing.

Well, yes, it certainly, appears to be, that way.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

When did I say points were everything? Why make things up?

I'm glad you are aware that "forsling > Rielly" is merely an opinion and not fact.

What other argument you have then?
This ESPN article?

 

[Namikaze Minato]

What other argument you have then?
This ESPN article?

I'm not sure, which arguments are you going to pretend I said next?

Your only argument so far is 2 phone screenshot graphs that prove, unequivocally to you, that forsling is a better defenceman than Morgan Rielly which somehow means that Rielly is not a top 100 defenceman in the league.

I think i'll not put in any time whatsoever into finding any evidence to dispute your claim, since youll just pretend I said something else anyways and i just genuienly find it pretty funny all around.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Rookie Faber got a vote or two.

 

[wintersej]

Dobson should get Norris consideration for what he’s done this year. Producing points and playing 25+ minutes a night. Also carried the isles defense with Pelech and Pulock both out for a while.

To say he isn’t top 10 is laughable

Dobson should get Norris consideration for what he’s done this year. Producing points and playing 25+ minutes a night. Also carried the isles defense with Pelech and Pulock both out for a while.

To say he isn’t top 10 is laughable

You have to think showing it for more than 50 games is a factor. Complain if he does it again and isn’t on the list next year.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I'm not sure, which arguments are you going to pretend I said next?

Your only argument so far is 2 phone screenshot graphs that prove, unequivocally to you, that forsling is a better defenceman than Morgan Rielly which somehow means that Rielly is not a top 100 defenceman in the league.

I think i'll not put in any time whatsoever into finding any evidence to dispute your claim, since youll just pretend I said something else anyways and i just genuienly find it pretty funny all around.

This year while at even strength for all linemate combinations

Rielly: 59 GF, 54 GA
Forsling: 54 GF, 24 GA

In past 3 years: *Reilly has played 7 less games than Forsling*

Forsling has a better GF and GA/60 than Forsling.
Forsling has actually scored more goals than Rielly.
Forsling doesn't play a lot of PP but Forsling is one even strength point behind Rielly.

Rielly also has more OZ starts than Forsling.





Now you go, your turn.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

This year while at even strength for all linemate combinations

Rielly: 59 GF, 54 GA
Forsling: 54 GF, 24 GA

In past 3 years: *Reilly has played 7 less games than Forsling*

Forsling has a better GF and GA/60 than Forsling.
Forsling has actually scored more goals than Rielly.
Forsling doesn't play a lot of PP but Forsling is one even strength point behind Rielly.

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Now you go, spotlight on you.

Your claim is that Rielly is not a top 100 Defenceman in the league.

This is an argument supporting that Forsling is better than Rielly, did I even say that he wasn't? No, I did not.

Youre not even sure what youre arguing about and youre the one who made the claim.

Fascinating.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Your claim is that Rielly is not a top 100 Defenceman in the league.

This is an argument supporting that Forsling is better than Rielly, did I even say that he wasn't? No, I did not.

Youre not even sure what youre arguing about and youre the one who made the claim.

Fascinating.

so you got nothing then. Just move on. My argument was Forsling is better defenseman than Rielly. You asked for more info, I gave it and youre trying to deflect.

 

[wintersej]

We are we arguing about a couple of guys who won’t ever sniff this list.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

so you got nothing then. Just move on. My argument was Forsling is better defenseman than Rielly. You asked for more info, I gave it and youre trying to deflect.

Who are you arguing that with? I know what you claimed, even though you forgot or are too embarrassed to address it.

We are we arguing about a couple of guys who won’t ever sniff this list.

One was mentioned in the article, so i guess he sniffed it.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Top Ten, baby

Yeahhh. There was certainly a time with Doughty was top 10, but that time is not the year 2024.

 

[wetcoast]

This list highlights one of the main issues that Team Canada is going to have in the 2026 Olympics.

They only have Makar as an elite defenseman who is still in his prime.

Other good defensemen that they have, such as Doughty and Pietrangelo, are clearly aging and will be worse when 2026 comes along.

Meanwhile, Team USA has Hughes, Fox, McAvoy, and Slavin all in their primes and will still be in their primes when 2026 comes.

The defense that Canada brought in 2010 and 2014 were very big reasons they won those years because nobody could compete with Canada's defensemen.

2026 is going to be very different though.

The demise of the Canadian defenseman is getting over rated here.

Besides having the best one does count for something right?

 

[pb1300]

Would he even make it on there?

You'd WISH to have him on your team.

 

[pb1300]

I'm not sure, which arguments are you going to pretend I said next?

Your only argument so far is 2 phone screenshot graphs that prove, unequivocally to you, that forsling is a better defenceman than Morgan Rielly which somehow means that Rielly is not a top 100 defenceman in the league.

I think i'll not put in any time whatsoever into finding any evidence to dispute your claim, since youll just pretend I said something else anyways and i just genuienly find it pretty funny all around.

Simple fact that the metrics have Forsling as one of the best Dmen in the league, much better than anyone on the Leafs, including the HoFer Rielly.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Simple fact that the metrics have Forsling as one of the best Dmen in the league, much better than anyone on the Leafs, including the HoFer Rielly.

Do you think that Forsling being better than Rielly means that Rielly is not a top 100 defenceman in the NHL?

Why do you think Rielly is a hall of famer? Pretty bold prediction.

 

[pb1300]

Do you think that Forsling being better than Rielly means that Rielly is not a top 100 defenceman in the NHL?

Why do you think Rielly is a hall of famer? Pretty bold prediction.

Nobody said either is not a top 100 Dman, just referring to the idiotic comments of a few on here who have obviously not seen Forsling play.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Nobody said either is not a top 100 Dman, just referring to the idiotic comments of a few on here who have obviously not seen Forsling play.

Wrong. Mugzy questioned whether Forsling would be a top 100 defenceman, then Impatient Panther emphatically declared that "Rielly wouldn't" and used his 2 graphs from his cell phone that show that he believes forsling is better than Rielly, which of course doesn't prove whether either is a top 100 defenceman.

Would he even make it on there?

We know Rielly wouldn't

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, including the HoFer Rielly.

But I am still curious as to why you think Rielly will be a HOF defender, again thats a very bold claim.

 

[snag]

Simple fact that the metrics have Forsling as one of the best Dmen in the league, much better than anyone on the Leafs, including the HoFer Rielly.

Rielly is a Hutterite?

 

[Felidae]

Last year was an offensive aberration and most people saw that.

He rightly isn't in the top 10 and frankly he wouldn't be in my top 20 his time has come and gone.

If your talking about the last few years then I agree. But if you're referring to his entire career, it's not even his best point placement in a season.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

So who are some omissions from the article anyways?

it was :
1. Makar
2. Hughes
3. Hesikanen
4. Fox
5. McAvoy
6. Hedman
7. Josi
8. Slavin
9. Morrisey
10. Doughty

Then: the 3 who fell off the list:
Karlsson
Dahlin
Hamilton

Then the HM's:
Dobson
Toews
Letang
Theodore
Pietrangelo
Rielly
Sieder
Ekblad
Sergachev
Faber

Biggest guy missing to me that I notice is Rasmus Andersson or maybe Werenski.

 

[wetcoast]

If your talking about the last few years then I agree.

Yes I was talking about the last few years.

But if you're referring to his entire career, it's not even his best point placement in a season.

As for his entire career he is a bit like Coffey for me and very hard to place.

Somewhere in the top 40 I guess but he has his arguments for higher and lower too.

 

[Buck Naked]

I don't necessarily disagree. Makar appears more dominant and probably has the stats to back it. With skating I am into semantics is all.

Not really this season. Pretty average in the numbers section outside of points. xG%, GF%, Chances, and other things are by no means top in the league this year.

 

[FoxyClean]

For a while it was Makar on top and a step down to Fox and then again to McAvoy, Heiskanen and Hughes in some order.

Now Hughes has taken over Fox's spot and pushed Fox down into that next tier.

Curious to see how those 5 continue to swap around over the next few years. It seemed so certain that Fox was going to be in the #2 spot for the long haul. Now it seems like it's Hughes instead. What will tomorrow bring? I dunno, but I love this group of 5 D.

Hedman just gets some benefit of the doubt that he can flip the switch defensively in the spring and summer.

After that, the list feels less predictable from season to season but can't argue what is here with any passion.

I mean Fox's big injury this season definitely plays a role in this ranking. He'd absolutely be top 3 if not for the injury and the time missed.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Wrong. Mugzy questioned whether Forsling would be a top 100 defenceman, then Impatient Panther emphatically declared that "Rielly wouldn't" and used his 2 graphs from his cell phone that show that he believes forsling is better than Rielly, which of course doesn't prove whether either is a top 100 defenceman.





But I am still curious as to why you think Rielly will be a HOF defender, again thats a very bold claim.

Never heard of a joke eh?
Obviously Rielly is a top 100 D.
I was being tongue and cheek with Mugzys comment.

Doesn't take away from the fact Forsling is a better all around defenseman than Rielly. Something you can't even defend as a Leafs fan