Traded Erik Brännström - D - Part III

[Loach]

Need to go back further. There were a LOT of trade Pageau posts for about 3 years.

Really? Lol

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Really? Lol

Yeah really. He obviously doesn't like players who are less than 6'1 or so. Pageau fit that bill.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Need to go back further. There were a LOT of trade Pageau posts for about 3 years.

Ah, OK.

 

[swiftwin]

We’ve struggled with depth everywhere. Forwards as well. We can’t trade Joseph and give assets to move him.
You can trade kubalik if you want and lose 25 goals. His replacement, I doubt gets close to 25 goals.
Again…10 mins, not that important on this team and still very small and questionable for playoffs.

Tarasenko is Kubalik's replacement.

Besides, we'd be adding a 20 goal scorer (Pinto) to our 3rd line by moving out Kubalik anyways. How many 20 goal scorers do you need on your 3rd line? No team has this many.

 

[dpw]

Tarasenko is Kubalik's replacement.

Besides, we'd be adding a 20 goal scorer (Pinto) to our 3rd line by moving out Kubalik anyways. How many 20 goal scorers do you need on your 3rd line? No team has this many.

Pinto got 20 playing second line role.

 

[swiftwin]

Pinto got 20 playing second line role.

Kubalik got 20 playing first line role

 

[Xspyrit]

When they see Pierre's number on their phone, how hard do you think other GMs laugh?

I don't think they laugh, their bodies just immediately produce serotonin massively

There's also the option of trading Forsberg IMO. Thins out our goalie depth, likely gets us a return similar to Brannstrom?

But I'm all over Option 4, but it requires Pinto to accept signing at a discount, and that's the hang-up right now...

Can't afford to trade Forsberg not only because of the Korpisalo/Forsberg situation, but also because he's more likely to give us solid goaltending consistently. Korpisalo, as we have seen last night, is just more risky.

Sorry, a few additional teams could theoretically take them on. Not Florida though, since their LTIR players will return this season.

My point stands. The pool of suitors for either Brannstrom or Joseph is very limited. These aren't attractive assets that will be easy to trade.

Maybe some team will get hit by injuries and want one of them in November, but we need to move them well before then.

Not that limited, plenty of teams would gladly take either but also are waiting for Dorion to cave in since he stupidly put himself in that situation (as usual)

The options were :

- sign only one of Tarasenko or Korpisalo
- don't take Kubalik back in the Detroit trade or just swap him right away to another team and get another asset from your DeBrincat fiasco

 

[Xspyrit]

Downgrading our 2nd 1st to a 2nd would likely be enough of a sweetener to unload Mr. 2.95 as SOA calls him. Really what’s the harm in moving from maybe 20OA to 40OA in the annual crapshoot.

The harm? It is that we have done that wayyyyyyyyy too much over the Dorion years, WHILE we were rebuilding. Take out a factual calculator and we have been bleeding assets like crazy whenwe were actually supposed to do the opposite.

Dorion is the guy in my avatar for other GMs, they are just hoping to be the next one gifted by his never ending generosity. This time Joseph and a 1st? lol I would be ecstatic if my team pull that off, contender or not.

Yep. To be specific, we are going to have to take a decent asset and give it away, with a pick attached, to compensate for the fact that our GM is a moron with zero experience in managing a cap because he has never had to do it before...

I foolishly believed Dorion had a PLAN when the offseason happened with Kubalik, Korpisalo and Tarasenko added. How naive of me

We have struggled for like 10 years getting good bottom pair defenceman who can play up the line up and still play good.

But now we suddenly have 3-4 of them?

Thinking that all players are equal because they play the same position would be very limited hockey understanding. Brannstrom is one of the best #5 D-men in the league and will eventually get his opportunity. Adding him to Joseph because our GM has no idea of what he is doing would be as bad as giving up a 1st round pick to create that cap space. Both options are simply awful and as an owner, I would fire my GM for even mentioning it. Trade Kubalik for whatever you can get you fool.

 

[BondraTime]

Brannstrom is nowhere near one of the best #5's in the league

 

[Xspyrit]

Brannstrom is nowhere near one of the best #5's in the league

How many teams have a better #5? Canes then who? You're making the counter argument so you have to do the 30 other teams

 

[DueDiligence]

but what happens if one of our top 4 get injured. we just forfeit the season?

because those Brannstrom replacements are sketch NHLers, let alone top 4 caliber.

You make it seem that Brannstrom is this incredible Dman which he isn't . He's OK.

 

[BondraTime]

How many teams have a better #5? Canes, Islanders, won't do the whole 31 teams tour, so who else?

Majority, I would imagine.

Brannstrom won't even be #5 for the Sens, he's likely to be #6 in icetime again this year.

Stars - Lindell
Devils - Hughes
Caps - TVR/Feheravary
Avs - Manson
Sabres - Clifton/Johnson
Bruins - Shattenkirk/Forbert
Flames - Tanev
Canes - Take your pick
Isles - Mayfield
Stars - Lindell/Hakanpaa
Wings - Ghostibhere
Panthers - Kulikov
Wild - Goligoski/Faber/Middeleton
Nashville - Lauzon/Schenn/Fabbro
Kraken - Drumolin/Schultz
Lightning - Cernak
Vegas - Whitecloud/Martinez
Jets - Dillon/Schmidt

A bunch of teams not included I'd argue, but a good 2/3 of the league for me without a doubt

 

[Xspyrit]

Majority, I would imagine.

Brannstrom won't even be #5 for the Sens, he's likely to be #6 in icetime again this year.

Stars - Lindell
Devils - Hughes
Caps - TVR/Feheravary
Avs - Manson
Sabres - Clifton/Johnson
Bruins - Shattenkirk/Forbert
Flames - Tanev
Canes - Take your pick
Isles - Mayfield
Stars - Lindell/Hakanpaa
Wings - Ghostibhere
Panthers - Kulikov
Wild - Goligoski/Faber/Middeleton
Nashville - Lauzon/Schenn/Fabbro
Kraken - Drumolin/Schultz
Lightning - Cernak
Vegas - Whitecloud/Martinez
Jets - Dillon/Schmidt

A bunch of teams not included I'd argue, but a good 2/3 of the league for me without a doubt

Damn, ok that will be very hard to argue... I mean looking at it quickly and seeing Erik Cernak as a #5, I don't think I can win this argument lol

I think this don't take a LOT of things in consideration like ES TOI, health, regression, EV defense, etc.

I'll try to come back on this later but damn, opened a subject that would actually take time to go further into

 

[Loach]

Damn, ok that will be very hard to argue... I mean looking at it quickly and seeing Erik Cernak as a #5, I don't think I can win this argument lol

I think this don't take a LOT of things in consideration like ES TOI, health, regression, EV defense, etc.

I'll try to come back on this later but damn, opened a subject that would actually take time to go further into

Owned. Owwwwned! From SlapShot.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

With DJ coaching, we only gave one top pairing dman, and that's Sanderson because he's still using his own f***ing brain.

With a normal coach, we have 3 top pairing dmen, a very good 3/4 in Zub, and a 4/5 in Branny.

 

[Xspyrit]

Owned. Owwwwned! From SlapShot.

The point is that Erik Cernak is not a #5 D-man lol, just to be sure you knew what I meant. Same for Lindell, etc

 

[BondraTime]

Cernak definitely not fairly represented, he’ll be #3/4ish in minutes with Perbix and De Haan 5/6 in minutes.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Sorry, a few additional teams could theoretically take them on. Not Florida though, since their LTIR players will return this season.

My point stands. The pool of suitors for either Brannstrom or Joseph is very limited. These aren't attractive assets that will be easy to trade.

Maybe some team will get hit by injuries and want one of them in November, but we need to move them well before then.

Some teams aren't going to make the playoffs. Either one of these players is a trade asset at the deadline that can garner picks. I am not a fan of losing Branny or Joseph... but we do need Pinto down the center.

 

[GCK]

Interesting that Dreger says Dorion has been trying to move Joseph or Brannstrom to make cap room. I think Branny at 2M is a tough pill.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'm all aboard the Kubalik train now. He's likely gone at year end anyways. I don't know if there's a market for him though.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

The point is that Erik Cernak is not a #5 D-man lol, just to be sure you knew what I meant. Same for Lindell, etc

Cernak definitely not fairly represented, he’ll be #3/4ish in minutes with Perbix and De Haan 5/6 in minutes.

Same thing with Tanev in Calgary. Many Flames fans call him their most important D.

Lindell likely is top 3-4 in Dallas as well. A couple more on there could be argued but I'd say Brann's a middle of the road #5 right now. He does seem to play well with an elevated role though.

This year's Brannstrom IS looking like the best #5 Ottawa has had in some time. It's a low bar, I know, but it's definitely a sight for sore eyes to have third pairing that isn't a train wreck.

 

[BondraTime]

Same thing with Tanev in Calgary. Many Flames fans call him their most important D.

Lindell likely is top 3-4 in Dallas as well. A couple more on there could be argued but I'd say Brann's a middle of the road #5 right now. He does seem to play well with an elevated role though.

This year's Brannstrom IS looking like the best #5 Ottawa has had in some time. It's a low bar, I know, but it's definitely a sight for sore eyes to have third pairing that isn't a train wreck.

Whether or not either guy is their #5, #4, #3, the others slotted ahead of them right now would be better #5’s

Weegar or Zadorov in Calagray.

Harley or Haakanpa in Dallas.

Whichever of the 3 you put as their #5, they’re all better options

That’s what you want with a #5 D. A meaningful PK guy, big physical guy that can keep up, a PP specialist, etc. Brannstrom is just…there.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Whether or not either guy is their #5, #4, #3, the others slotted ahead of them right now would be better #5’s

Weegar or Zadorov in Calagray.

Harley or Haakanpa in Dallas.

Whichever of the 3 you put as their #5, they’re all better options

You could make that argument for most of those guys for sure. The Dallas guys are not significantly better, IMO, depending on what role they're asked to play.

Like I said I'd say he's a middle of the road guy where he's slotted. Especially when you consider how well he's played with a heavier workload. I'm fine with trading Brannstrom if a reasonable plan is in place. If that plan is just to throw Kleven out there I think Dorion is barking up the wrong tree.

 

[BondraTime]

You could make that argument for most of those guys for sure. The Dallas guys are not significantly better, IMO, depending on what role they're asked to play.

Like I said I'd say he's a middle of the road guy where he's slotted. Especially when you consider how well he's played with a heavier workload. I'm fine with trading Brannstrom if a reasonable plan is in place. If that plan is just to throw Kleven out there I think Dorion is barking up the wrong tree.

Haakanpa and Lindell were 20 minute a night guys on one of the best D in the league, and Harley has taken over a top 4 spot this year and is playing 19+ a night. Brännström barely saw 10 minutes last game, all his starts were in the offensive zone, and isn’t going to his 15 minutes avg this season without a significant injury.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Haakanpa and Lindell were 20 minute a night guys on one of the best D in the league, and Harley has taken over a top 4 spot this year and is playing 19+ a night. Brännström barely saw 10 minutes last game, all his starts were in the offensive zone, and isn’t going to his 15 minutes avg this season without a significant injury.

There was talk in Dallas of Harley no even making the team, so 1 game is hardly a reason to call him a top 4. Looks like he's ready but hasn't proven much. Lindell is great. Nor argument there. Haakanpaa is OK but they all play on a great team that is well coached with support all around. Not luxuries Brannstrom or any of our players have enjoyed.