Erie Otters 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 2)

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You keep mentioning this like either A you know something and/or B you think this will somehow justify bringing him in. Whether SB is a GM or head coach, imo he’s the wrong guy for the job. At best he’s average and outdated.

DB hired SB as a friend, as an ally, and as a cheap/easy hire. DB didn’t hire him to replace himself unless DB is ready for something different and plans to move on. But he certainly hasn’t talked like that
Hiring “friends” doesn’t land you a championship. Look at teams around this league. Erie is the only team who has been in the rebuild for 3+ years. All of our OAs haven’t played a single playoff game. Sad.

What has Brown done to not be fired? We have no picks and no huge assets to trade.
 

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Like mentioned prior -Yes Dave Brown head of Canada’s U17 National Team

Now if he could only muster up enough smarts to head up The Erie Otters American based OHL local team ??
 
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As painful as it is to watch, we are out all of our top guys and took less than 30 shots. Can’t win if you don’t shoot and the goals are going to do in if you don’t block pucks. Kitchener is going to hit 50 shots. That comes with the inexperience and loss of Kulakov on the back end.
 
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Hiring “friends” doesn’t land you a championship. Look at teams around this league. Erie is the only team who has been in the rebuild for 3+ years. All of our OAs haven’t played a single playoff game. Sad.

What has Brown done to not be fired? We have no picks and no huge assets to trade.

Billets are very unhappy with DB.

Jim Waters has been in and around the locker room more times this season than years past.

Stan Butler doubled as a GM and HC before, no reason to think at like 66 years old he won't move upstairs sooner rather than later.

Rumors were DB was done if we didn't make playoffs. If we did make playoffs it was only going to buy him one more season.

I don't see any possible scenario other than SB bailing him out, turning around this team next season with a huge off season and one hell of a draft plus tons of development.

That being said...these kids, outside of a few, are just coasting to the finish line. It is so hard to watch and you can't help but feel for them as we all have for the past several seasons. The atmosphere needs to change and DB is the only one left who hasn't been challenged.
 
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Billets are very unhappy with DB.

Jim Waters has been in and around the locker room more times this season than years past.

Stan Butler doubled as a GM and HC before, no reason to think at like 66 years old he won't move upstairs sooner rather than later.

Rumors were DB was done if we didn't make playoffs. If we did make playoffs it was only going to buy him one more season.

I don't see any possible scenario other than SB bailing him out, turning around this team next season with a huge off season and one hell of a draft plus tons of development.

That being said...these kids, outside of a few, are just coasting to the finish line. It is so hard to watch and you can't help but feel for them as we all have for the past several seasons. The atmosphere needs to change and DB is the only one left who hasn't been challenged.
I completely agree. Dave Brown is the only one who could steer the ship in a different direction. Instead he cleared the cupboards and flopped multiple trades. I’ve watch Jim Waters enter the locker room and he’s around the EIA far more frequently than in the past.

We are traveling to Guelph to support the team. If I see Waters, I want to ask him about DB. He won’t say anything one way or the other, but he needs to know everyone is frustrated.

I would expect multiple camps to be held in Erie this summer. This team needs to work at Erie Bank Sports Park. It’s not going to change overnight, but if you want to play in this league you have to go back to the fundamentals. Our team is so scared to check because if they hit the wrong way, they’ll get a penalty. That’s why the physicality isn’t there. They need to get stronger.

My guess would be Dave Brown is released after the draft. I’d say we need better scouts and a better goaltending coach. Butler will bring in his new assistants.
 

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Stan's message after game looking into next season...

We need to be bigger
We need to be stronger
We need to be mentally tougher
We want to have a competitiveness that's second to none.

Then he goes on to talk about players hitting the gym, working out, and such.

This could be a major change but the reality is with the way the team drafted it will be hard to get bigger at an accelerated pace. We will still have to keep some smaller guys.
 

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I completely agree. Dave Brown is the only one who could steer the ship in a different direction. Instead he cleared the cupboards and flopped multiple trades. I’ve watch Jim Waters enter the locker room and he’s around the EIA far more frequently than in the past.

We are traveling to Guelph to support the team. If I see Waters, I want to ask him about DB. He won’t say anything one way or the other, but he needs to know everyone is frustrated.

I would expect multiple camps to be held in Erie this summer. This team needs to work at Erie Bank Sports Park. It’s not going to change overnight, but if you want to play in this league you have to go back to the fundamentals. Our team is so scared to check because if they hit the wrong way, they’ll get a penalty. That’s why the physicality isn’t there. They need to get stronger.

My guess would be Dave Brown is released after the draft. I’d say we need better scouts and a better goaltending coach. Butler will bring in his new assistants.

Agree

This is one reason why don’t want to lose Kulakov to the import / OA situation or other opportunities for him before next year ..He literally is the only one who is physical , has decent size and can fight .. need somebody back there - along w Bressett up front - that’s 2 of 3 but just my opinion - would be crazy to keep Lalonde
 
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Agree

This is one reason why don’t want to lose Kulakov to the import / OA situation or other opportunities for him before next year ..He literally is the only one who is physical , has decent size and can fight .. need somebody back there - along w Bressett up front - that’s 2 of 3 but just my opinion - would be crazy to keep Lalonde
I like Kulakov, but keeping him would be a huge mistake imo. We're picking way too high in the import draft to do that. Maybe acquiring an overage defenseman from one of the teams that loaded up on 19 year olds this season would be the way to go.
 
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Hiring “friends” doesn’t land you a championship. Look at teams around this league. Erie is the only team who has been in the rebuild for 3+ years. All of our OAs haven’t played a single playoff game. Sad.

What has Brown done to not be fired? We have no picks and no huge assets to trade.
I think you are misinterpreting my comment. I’m not saying DB’s cronyism is a good thing… I’m simply pointing out that DB hired SB because he was his friend and cheap (a bad combo) which suggests there is no “plan” in place to have SB take over and DB lose his job. At least not a plan that DB is part of or wants to see. Again, DB made this hire. Waters approved but it’s DB’s buddy and his role as GM to make the hire. Odd to think he hired SB to replace himself..
that was my point
 
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I like Kulakov, but keeping him would be a huge mistake imo. We're picking way too high in the import draft to do that. Maybe acquiring an overage defenseman from one of the teams that loaded up on 19 year olds this season would be the way to go.
100%. Not to mention, Lalonde isn’t even an OA next year. Certainly Erie needs to fix the goalie situation and that’s a convo for another day but the OA tag should never be used on an import unless the player is that good or there are no good alternatives in the OA or import spot. Kulakov is not that special to warrant keeping him but given the history of this organization, it would seem plausible that they do keep him next year
 
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100%. Not to mention, Lalonde isn’t even an OA next year. Certainly Erie needs to fix the goalie situation and that’s a convo for another day but the OA tag should never be used on an import unless the player is that good or there are no good alternatives in the OA or import spot. Kulakov is not that special to warrant keeping him but given the history of this organization, it would seem plausible that they do keep him next year
If we are going to draft a good import who will report, why not trade Molnar to get some picks to use for a future trade and keep Kulakov? Molnar has been ok, but he hasn’t lived up to the hype so far.
 

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If we are going to draft a good import who will report, why not trade Molnar to get some picks to use for a future trade and keep Kulakov? Molnar has been ok, but he hasn’t lived up to the hype so far.
Because imports typically don’t return a lot of assets unless they are special. Molnar still has higher upside and is younger, doesn’t use the OA spot. So he’s a better import player at this stage. Now that said, Erie did zero for his development the last few months and I doubt he’s back here unless he just loved the city/team
 

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Because imports typically don’t return a lot of assets unless they are special. Molnar still has higher upside and is younger, doesn’t use the OA spot. So he’s a better import player at this stage. Now that said, Erie did zero for his development the last few months and I doubt he’s back here unless he just loved the city/team
See with Kulakov he loves Erie and is always at the Sports Park helping younger teams. I think Erie keeps him because he’s what SB is looking for in a defenseman. Not saying it’s the right move, but losing Morton size wise Kulakov is the next biggest. I doubt he goes back to Russia and his billets can afford to house him year round.

Any logical decision that makes the most sense this organization does the complete opposite.
 
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See with Kulakov he loves Erie and is always at the Sports Park helping younger teams. I think Erie keeps him because he’s what SB is looking for in a defenseman. Not saying it’s the right move, but losing Morton size wise Kulakov is the next biggest. I doubt he goes back to Russia and his billets can afford to house him year round.

Any logical decision that makes the most sense this organization does the complete opposite.

I've heard Molnar may be a one and done, but nothing is ever set in stone.

Kulakov would be devastated to not come back. As others have mentioned he has quite literally turned Erie into his home. Moving to America is one of most proud decisions and for this reason I could see Kulakov returning in favor of both Johnston, Saganiuk, and Gilmartin (who's attitude has to have himself in hot water). Kulakov is loved by everyone inside and outside the locker room.

With regards to the import situation, with as many swing and misses we've had over the past 5 seasons, just because we have a high pick doesn't mean they report. I think we have a very solid roster which may increase the chances, but we haven't proven crap other than we can consistently miss the playoffs (not counting Covid finish where the playoffs were canceled and we finished 8th) in the past 5 seasons.

And let's not pretend DB hasn't had some of the worst trades, coaching hires, and overall lack of vision out of most GMs in the past 5 seasons. If he isn't gone by the end of next year I'd be surprised regardless of who he is buddies with.
 
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Any logical decision that makes the most sense this organization does the complete opposite.
Which is why they will keep him. I understand the size argument and I don’t doubt Kulakov is a great kid. But again, wasting an OA/import tag on a middle pair defenseman is a move that 90% of the league just doesn't consider. Certainly any reputable organization doesn’t. Just like making BJ the head coach after a meh performance as an interim, just like keeping DB around this long, just like hiring SB…. The team just continues to make head scratching decisions and they stay way too loyal to a fault, even going back to the Bassin years. You want to win, you go for the talent and you hopefully have a head coach that can build the culture. Using a top 10 import pick to get a younger, better defender with the same size and trying to get Molnar back here is the best thing for the team’s potential and growth. But with a dinosaur defensive minded head coach and the history of this franchise - it’s likely Kulakov is back for a culture/character guy, similar to Poddubyni situation, and we will just to go sub .500 again.

The entire mindset of this franchise is sickening. They don’t invest in the things that matter. They aren’t cutthroat. And I’m tired of the fans playing into it. Soft franchise.

And don’t take it personal, I’m not calling you out. Sorry. But this last 5-6 year stretch is so embarrassingly bad that it’s hard to not call out every move and decision they make as bad. Imo they don’t know what they are doing. From the drafting down to the coaching. So if they keep Kulakov, it’s probably a bad move and a waste of assets. Why should we think they are somehow making a wise move or know what they are doing? And as an aside, why are the players undisciplined and showing poor character? Probably because they are around a losing franchise 24/7. I mean I know when I worked for poor organizations, I didn’t put in nearly the effort I do now that I work for a legit company.
 
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You literally have a few games left in the season - your 5,000 miles away and fly in with your wife to visit your son who should be drafted relatively high ( poss within the top 4 rounds )

Now would you do this and stay here for a week if your son wasn’t returning as an import ??

Cmon guys get a clue
 

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You literally have a few games left in the season - your 5,000 miles away and fly in with your wife to visit your son who should be drafted relatively high ( poss within the top 4 rounds )

Now would you do this and stay here for a week if your son wasn’t returning as an import ??

Cmon guys get a clue
I think as a parent you’d do anything to support your child no matter the circumstances. If my child was living 5,000 miles away I’d want to visit him and see what it’s like living in America. Visiting doesn’t necessarily mean he’s locked into sticking around.

Maybe it’s too early and the coffee hasn’t sunk in yet but it’s my opinion.
 

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Despite rebuilding for 6 years, Erie just had their worst record since 2012-2013. So let that sink in. The difference being that roster featured McDavid and a promising, young, proven coach in Knoblauch.

The early results are in for SB and guess what, it’s not going to make me stop complaining about the hire yet. Yes, I understand he took over late and “it’s not fair,” blah blah blah but the team was worse under him, not better or even the same.

Prior to SB coaching:
16-24-1-4
3.35 GPA
4.41 GAA

With SB:
5-16-1-1
2.43 GPA
4.21 GAA

That offense isn’t gonna get it done in 2023, it doesn’t matter what the defensive pay off is - you have to be able to score to consistently win and the offense severely regressed with SB which isn’t shocking considering his old school mentality. And sorry, I don’t need to hear the excuses for why that is or the injuries or whatever else you want to bring into play.

There is no optimism to have with the state of the current franchise, which is poorly run. The bubble is or is going to pop on players wanting to come play here. Don’t think it’s at the level of mid 2000s bad but has to be getting there. And if you don’t have talent, you can’t win. Sure, another top 4 draft pick helps but let’s see if we have to reach for someone in order to get them to commit…
 

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The Erie Otters finish with a final record of 21-40-7 10th in the Western Conference and 19th in the Ontario Hockey League…

Coach Stan Butler said he expects us to be in the middle of the pack next season… going by this year’s standings that would be winning 35 games aka 14 more than this year…

Can it be done? Yes! Will it happen? It’s up to the Otters. The team has so many talented pieces in Terrance, Sova, Spence, Fimis, Bressette, a 2nd round goaltender in Gibbons, a CBJ prospect and good goalie when he plays his best in LaLonde, and one of the most respected coaches in the OHL. Let’s hope we have a good off-season and return to the playoffs next year
 
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I was talking to a billet yesterday and they said that there’s still 1-2 “pre Madonna’s” in the room. Obviously they wouldn’t say who. I couldn’t figure out who they referenced.
 
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I was talking to a billet yesterday and they said that there’s still 1-2 “pre Madonna’s” in the room. Obviously they wouldn’t say who. I couldn’t figure out who they referenced.
Any franchise that wins less than 26 games for 5 straight years will have culture issues. Can we stop trying to scapegoat? Their issue is their roster construction, their talent develoment, and in game coaching
 

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The Erie Otters finish with a final record of 21-40-7 10th in the Western Conference and 19th in the Ontario Hockey League…

Coach Stan Butler said he expects us to be in the middle of the pack next season… going by this year’s standings that would be winning 35 games aka 14 more than this year…

Can it be done? Yes! Will it happen? It’s up to the Otters. The team has so many talented pieces in Terrance, Sova, Spence, Fimis, Bressette, a 2nd round goaltender in Gibbons, a CBJ prospect and good goalie when he plays his best in LaLonde, and one of the most respected coaches in the OHL. Let’s hope we have a good off-season and return to the playoffs next year

I think we are on the right track but it is going to take a hell of an off season with nothing really in the cupboard to pick up.

That being said I agree, SB seems like a no nonsense kinda guy. I guess we will see how the boys develop off-season when we get back in September.

As others have said, it was awesome to see Sedore get a goal in the last 30 for his send off game. Morton has grown so much in the past couple seasons and the adversity Cohen has had to overcome has been nothing short of amazing.

Curious to see if enough moves were done this season or if we've maybe seen the last of DB, Wes, and/or Vince. In addition, the 5 OA for next season in Bressette, Saganiuk, Gilmartin, Johnston, and Kulakov will have a lot on their minds I'm sure. Do we trade before/during the draft or do we let them come into camp on equal footing?

Our goalie situation seems to be a huge mess...Lalonde did not play how we expected, we were forced to trade for another goalie who was only slightly better than Lalonde and Gibbons showed promising signs (and also those of a rookie).

Development of our current players will be the single largest factor as to hitting a goal of 4 - 7 finish next year so I think it will be interesting to see if Stan is up to the task.
 
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