GWT: EPL - Matchweek 7 (ft. MW 2)

[bluesfan94]

I'm sure they are. But until proven otherwise, the only proven corruption scandals were not about states.
But I know some people here would rather condemn on the color of skin or origin than on actually proven cheaters.

Depends how you define Franco and Berlusconi.

Spent an extended weekend in Moravia drinking slivovice so just caught up on the games yesterday and the thread today (pant pant). Didn't like that red card call at all but if that was as bad as it got I guess we could've called the day a success Brutal start to finish, and honestly the only the that tops it is the couple of spurs fans here (not all) doubling down on it when they should be worried how much help their team needs to get results. Pure class.

The UAE visit part is a particularly horrible look as well, whatever went down, even if it was just jetlag, hangover, etc. and not the manipulation just begging to be suspected.

Am I wrong or do EPL refs also ref European games midweek?

 

[hatterson]

Uhm I didn’t. I think there was a similar foul on Gomez that only resulted in a corner.

1.) The still from your post makes it seem iffy on if the defender got the ball simultaneous with Gomez or caught Gomez before, so I can't really comment on the similarity of the act.

2.) The reason VVD got a red is because it was a DOGSO foul. I don't recall, nor care to look up, the challenge on Gomez, but given that it's Gomez and Liverpool are down a man at the time, I'm gonna go ahead and guess he wasn't charging through the middle of the pitch alone on goal.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I'm sure they are. But until proven otherwise, the only proven corruption scandals were not about states.
But I know some people here would rather condemn on the color of skin or origin than on actually proven cheaters.

Lol there’s plenty proven about the states of UAE and the gulf nations…

 

[Evilo]

Lol there’s plenty proven about the states of UAE and the gulf nations…

In football?

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Dude retconned Qatar and the trove of City’s proven criminal cheating already.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Liverpool should try and appeal the red on Jones at least. Don’t think they'd dare to say no to that now.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

In football?

Stares are the only one corrupting people? Corporations aren't?

That's your first post... not making it clear it was corruption only related to football.

Manchester City's Champions League ban lifted by Cas but club fined €10m

The court of arbitration for sport has lifted Manchester City’s Champions League ban but fined the club €10m

www.theguardian.com

There's also this and while the punishment was overturned, one of the reasons was because it was time barred. The emails speak for themselves though.

 

[Evilo]

That's your first post... not making it clear it was corruption only related to football.

Manchester City's Champions League ban lifted by Cas but club fined €10m

The court of arbitration for sport has lifted Manchester City’s Champions League ban but fined the club €10m

www.theguardian.com

There's also this and while the punishment was overturned, one of the reasons was because it was time barred. The emails speak for themselves though.

Sorry I thought it was the football forum.
And while I'm sure corruption played none of what City is accused of is corruption.
Meanwhile the Juve, OM and others have proven to have bought refs left and right.
PROVEN.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Sorry I thought it was the football forum.
And while I'm sure corruption played none of what City is accused of is corruption.
Meanwhile the Juve, OM and others have proven to have bought refs left and right.
PROVEN.

Yes because we only talk football here lol.

No idea what the second line means…

Yes, we can call them all out. Why have blinders on?

 

[Savant]

We will see what happens here.

https://x.com/mattladson/status/1708843610118967722?s=46

As I said during the thread the freeze frame of where Jones landed should not have been on the screen when the ref walked over as it was obviously going to bias the outcome. By rule, it reads like it shouldn’t have been either

 

[Evilo]

Yes because we only talk football here lol.

No idea what the second line means…

Yes, we can call them all out. Why have blinders on?

I try to. I know some people let their racism drive their posts on certain subjects but I try to stick to football.

Erh... Please read the conversation. Someone tweeted about states owned teams as source of corruption.
So Please let's not move the goalposts.

 

[Savant]

Am I wrong or do EPL refs also ref European games midweek?

I think you would need to look at the data how many Thursday night to Saturday turnarounds, and how many Thursday night to Saturday turnarounds with a 3 hour time zone difference there are to make a fair comparison.

Also am purposefully not bringing up the tin foil component of this

 

[bluesfan94]

We will see what happens here.

https://x.com/mattladson/status/1708843610118967722?s=46

As I said during the thread the freeze frame of where Jones landed should not have been on the screen when the ref walked over as it was obviously going to bias the outcome. By rule, it reads like it shouldn’t have been either

The rule doesn't say anything about what freeze frame should be on the screen when the ref arrives there. Nor does the rule, as provided in that tweet, preclude the ref from using slow motion for any purpose, let alone for checking contact.

 

[Savant]

The rule doesn't say anything about what freeze frame should be on the screen when the ref arrives there. Nor does the rule, as provided in that tweet, preclude the ref from using slow motion for any purpose, let alone for checking contact.

Oh I agree with you. I don’t think this is necessarily a “gotcha” I just think that might be the angle they are going for. As I said we will see what happens. Just providing some context

 

[hatterson]

One thing to note is that the way VAR is supposed to function is that they are *supposed* to show the ref the most convincing evidence possible.

The idea is that they review all of the possible angles and determine there has been a clear and obvious error. Then they tell the ref to go to the monitor and show him the best possible evidence that it was an error.

They are, intentionally and by design, not trying to give the refs all the angles to make the decision fresh again, they're trying to convince him he was wrong.

 

[Savant]

One thing to note is that the way VAR is supposed to function is that they are *supposed* to show the ref the most convincing evidence possible.

The idea is that they review all of the possible angles and determine there has been a clear and obvious error. Then they tell the ref to go to the monitor and show him the best possible evidence that it was an error.

They are, intentionally and by design, not trying to give the refs all the angles to make the decision fresh again, they're trying to convince him he was wrong.

Maybe? But I don’t think that was appropriate in this situation. The red on Jones was given based on where he landed. Showing the still frame takes out that both players had a right to the ball, both players went for the ball, and Jones only wound up where he did because a soccer ball is round. Obviously more egregious errors happened during that game, but to me that it simply never a red card. There is not violent intent to injure. Still image made it look like Jones torpedoed the guy but it was absolutely accidental where he landed. Showing a still frame certainly biased the official and didn’t show the whole story

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I try to. I know some people let their racism drive their posts on certain subjects but I try to stick to football.

Erh... Please read the conversation. Someone tweeted about states owned teams as source of corruption.
So Please let's not move the goalposts.

I did and went back a couple of times. It’s not race driven.

 

[bluesfan94]

The over the ball challenge resulting in studs to an ankle has always been red and I've never really seen it debated this heavily before.

 

[Evilo]

I did and went back a couple of times. It’s not race driven.

Not by Litn I know.
For some other people though...

 

[Savant]

The over the ball challenge resulting in studs to an ankle has always been red and I've never really seen it debated this heavily before.

Personally I never like the call. Especially to overturn a yellow into a red. I just don’t think the violent intent is there. Maybe it’s just me though. Not just an LFC thing, just don’t like it

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Yes please loool

 

[Savant]

Yes please loool

the bare minimum that needed to happen

 

[hockey20000]

Yes please loool

yea hopfully it happens that would be interesting the audio for every var call should be released to us anyway. the fans pay enough to watch

 

[bluesfan94]

Added tomorrow's fixture to this thread. As a reminder, this fixture is a rescheduling of the MW 2 fixture that was delayed as updates to Kenilworth Road were not timely completed.

 

[Savant]

yea hopfully it happens that would be interesting the audio for every var call should be released to us anyway. the fans pay enough to watch

This is why neutral fans need to support what Liverpool is trying to do here then