End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)

[stickty111]

No news or presser hints yet? Surprised

Wonder if:

A) Dubas turned the offer down and the Leafs are finalizing their new GM

B) Dubas accepted but they are also announcing the firing of Keefe and are sorting out his replacement

Maybe but couldn't they do A, after announcing Dubas left, or B, after announcing Keefe was let go? They don't have to find a replacement at the same time for any of those things.

 

[francis246]

There are people who can't pay their bills, can't feed their kids, have disabilities etc who HAVE to carry on. Dubas will get hired in the NHL again. He makes about 600g's a year. If there's stress effecting his home life, he can afford to step back and take care of his family. The way he went about this announcement, and the timing of it, just doesn't pass the sniff test

Dubas isn’t a normal person in society. He’s someone with privilege and a high profile job. You can’t draw comparisons to the average person like the way people in those positions get and leave jobs is the same as a normal person quitting a job. It’s not equivalent. Everyone always says that, but the reality is most people/average person wouldn’t last 2 days as a GM.

Just because you are more affluent doesn’t mean you’re not human and void of emotions. Most people can’t understand because your job most likely doesn’t affect your family in anyway. His does. So it’s a problem you can’t relate to. Doesn’t make it any less valid.

 

[ToneDog]

Well that seems to be what he's contemplating.

What's taking him so long if his answer is what the Leafs are waiting for? He knew he did not have an extension to start the season, he knew how much a toll it took during the season and playoffs and he knows next year will most likely be worse. My guess he wants something the Leafs may not be wanting to give him. Money, full autonomy, keep his coach ??

 

[Trapper]

As Dubas said, nothing should be off the table. That includes Matthews.

Step 1: Matthews. July 1st NMC. Eligible to re-sign. What does he want? Is there a limit to what you would pay and how many years.
If he wants 15 x 5 do you pay it?

Step 2: Marner. July 1st NMC. 2 years remaining. Possible best return. If you are changing the core, one of Marner/Nylander is probably it.

Step 3: Nylander. July 1st Limited NTC. Same as Matthews. What does he want? What is your limit to pay and term? Can be held past July 1st and traded in season if necessary. Not as restricted as the above 2.

This is where we are and hard decisions need to be made.

 

[dangomon]

Maybe but couldn't they do A, after announcing Dubas left, or B, after announcing Keefe was let go? They don't have to find a replacement at the same time for any of those things.

Agreed, and no matter how quiet this organization has been in terms of leaks there is no way they could be conducting coaching and/or GM interviews without even a whisper from the media.

 

[PromisedLand]

I agree with that completely.

I also think Kyle has done a lot of positive learning and growth on the job, and continues to get better. Whether you like him or not, you can't ignore the fact that he gets a ton of business done in a league that notoriously complains about how hard it is to make moves etc. He finds ways to get what he wants done, even if we don't agree with some of those moves.

I can see why MLSE want him. I think it's ridiculous that he wasn't extended last summer

Getting business done and getting business done effectively/efficiently/competently are two different thing.

Making trade every year where one has to throw in extra picks so that other team(s) can take 50% of the cap because the team's cap structure is screwed IMO is not getting "business done effectively"

 

[Gallagbi]

Well, if not for this piece of news we would probably be focusing more on Auston Matthews contract demands and desire to stay, a coaching decision, a possible Big 4 and 10 UFA’s to decide on. But all those things run through the guy who might not be here.

Theyre all being discussed.

The discussion on Matthews was 5 years vs. 8 years yesterday.

Theres a "next coach" thread a few down.

Some ideas for a big 4 trade were floated out since the loss (even before)- Lindhom + Andersson for Marner is the one that catches my eye. The Byfield, Turcotte LA suggestions scare me.

Sounds like Acciari is interested in returning, ROR is unlikely, and that were interested in retaining Schenn.

Decisions on anything are the GMs whoever that is. Some of those decisions cant, others are just unlikely, to happen for another few weeks. Sadly you and I dont impact them. Speculation is free though, and it doesnt have to - nor has it - stopped with the Dubas situation.

 

[The Iceman]

It scares me that there appears to be no contingency plan. If Dubas does take the year off, who comes into run this team during on of the most important periods in it's history?

The next 5-8 weeks are massive!

I think if Pridham were named acting GM and he hired an assistant GM that is an experienced GM on the player transaction side the Leafs would easily be able to cover things.

 

[The Masters]

As much as Pridham may be a rising star in the GM ranks, I think if we are moving on from Dubas -- whether by the team's choice or his -- I'd rather the team goes in a completely different direction with a fresh set of eyes than simply promoting someone within from his tenure.

I think he takes on the interim role until they look for a true successor. we got 6 weeks to july 1, not enough time for search, hire, get acclimated

 

[The Iceman]

Getting business done and getting business done effectively/efficiently/competently are two different thing.

Making trade every year where one has to throw in extra picks so that other team(s) can take 50% of the cap because the team's cap structure is screwed IMO is not getting "business done effectively"

You need to take risks to improve the team.
You win some trades and you lose some but if the trade you execute makes you even marginally better you won that trade short term.

Top teams need short term gains heading to the playoffs.

 

[francis246]

I’m not referring to myself or other fans being blindsided, but by all accounts the organization had no idea what he was going to say, that’s not a good look for him. And if some fans feel blindsided they have that right, without fans, this organization doesn’t exist.

I think Dubas was the one who may have been blindsided by this revelation by his family. Hence why he brought it up. Like I mentioned earlier, I think everything was fresh for him in that moment, including that family information and he may have verbal shit himself. Happens! Think it’s a bigger story than it actually is. But that’s the Canadian market for ya

Getting business done and getting business done effectively/efficiently/competently are two different thing.

Making trade every year where one has to throw in extra picks so that other team(s) can take 50% of the cap because the team's cap structure is screwed IMO is not getting "business done effectively"

Didn’t Tampa throw away a bunch of high assets away for a guy they scratched in a deciding game and didn’t help them get out of the first round?

You win some and you lose some. That’s the life of a GM.

 

[PromisedLand]

You need to take risks to improve the team.
You win some trades and you lose some but if the trade you execute makes you even marginally better you won that trade short term.

Top teams need short term gains heading to the playoffs.

There are "risks" and there are "calculated risks"

IMO Dubas' behavior indicates mostly hailmarys and risks there aren't any "calculated risks"

Example: matthews has a down year this time around; you calculate the probability of Matthews raising his game in the playoffs. If I was the GM I would have not made the TDL moves this season given my prime asset hasn't produced at the clip seen before and Tavares' even strength production is not even top 50.

IMO the "risks" taken by dubas were not calculated, they were mostly hail mary; and a competent management group doesn't do "hail mary" moves

Didn’t Tampa throw away a bunch of high assets away for a guy they scratched in a deciding game and didn’t help them get out of the first round?

You win some and you lose some. That’s the life of a GM.

First; tampa has won cups and have had 3 consecutive years playing in the SCF. Its not apples to apples comparison.

Second, and most important IMO, I do not understand the notion that if someone else made foolish moves then it justifies foolish moves made by the Leafs. That is not competence, that is, deflection, significant incompetence and lack of foresight

 

[SprDaVE]

No news or presser hints yet? Surprised

Wonder if:

A) Dubas turned the offer down and the Leafs are finalizing their new GM

B) Dubas accepted but they are also announcing the firing of Keefe and are sorting out his replacement

Yeah it's getting to a weird point now.

 

[francis246]

There are "risks" and there are "calculated risks"

IMO Dubas' behavior indicates mostly hailmarys and risks there aren't any "calculated risks"

Example: matthews has a down year this time around; you calculate the probability of Matthews raising his game in the playoffs. If I was the GM I would have not made the TDL moves this season given my prime asset hasn't produced at the clip seen before and Tavares' even strength production is not even top 50.

IMO the "risks" taken by dubas were not calculated, they were mostly hail mary; and a competent management group doesn't do "hail mary" moves



First; tampa has won cups and have had 3 consecutive years playing in the SCF. Its not apples to apples comparison.

Second, and most important IMO, I do not understand the notion that if someone else made foolish moves then it justifies foolish moves made by the Leafs. That is not competence, that is, deflection, significant incompetence and lack of foresight

My point is outside of the Kadri trade and Marchment trade, Dubas hasn’t really made bad trades.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Yeah it's getting to a weird point now.

The longer it goes the more likely that Dubas is gone

 

[The Masters]

This guy from my work came into my office this morning and said he thinks this waiting game is because Shanny is out and MLSE is moving on from Shanny and promoting Dubas to President.

Told him he was a fkin moron and to get out of my office.

 

[Tak7]

Getting business done and getting business done effectively/efficiently/competently are two different thing.

This year was probably the 3rd consecutive deadline that the majority of fans gave Dubas widespread passing marks for his moves. Combine that with some clever free agent signings etc.

There's far more good than bad there.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

The longer it goes the more likely that Dubas is gone

Bert I see it the opposite way... the longer it goes, the more likely he stays. Why? Simply, the time constraints.

 

[ToneDog]

My point is outside of the Kadri trade and Marchment trade, Dubas hasn’t really made bad trades.

Foligno, and Murray. His best trade was for McCann.

 

[Captain Crunch]

As Dubas said, nothing should be off the table. That includes Matthews.

Step 1: Matthews. July 1st NMC. Eligible to re-sign. What does he want? Is there a limit to what you would pay and how many years.
If he wants 15 x 5 do you pay it?

Step 2: Marner. July 1st NMC. 2 years remaining. Possible best return. If you are changing the core, one of Marner/Nylander is probably it.

Step 3: Nylander. July 1st Limited NTC. Same as Matthews. What does he want? What is your limit to pay and term? Can be held past July 1st and traded in season if necessary. Not as restricted as the above 2.

This is where we are and hard decisions need to be made.

If Matthews wants that much, he should be traded, I would give him 13 tops. I'm hoping Marner is traded regardless. As for Nylander, much would depend on AM and MM, as well as how much Nylander is going to want, I would not go over 9..

 

[PromisedLand]

This year was probably the 3rd consecutive deadline that the majority of fans gave Dubas widespread passing marks for his moves. Combine that with some clever free agent signings etc.

There's far more good than bad there.

Majority doesn't signal competence. And how are you claiming majority? Twitter? Or poll on HF?

Go through my post history if you want; I would not have made any moves this TDL. I advocated for it too.

His Hubris "we can and we will" has come back to bite the team on the behind. A competent GM knows how to take "calculated risks". Dubas has spent quite a bit since the Habs series with almost similar results.

That isn't competent management and calculated risks. Thats a hail mary. I don't like management teams with hailmary thinking and without a foresight

 

[Atomos2]

Dubas holding the team hostage during one of the most important offseasons reeks of immaturity in a powerful gm position. Doesn't want to come back? That's fine. I totally get it if he needs to take time and think about his family's wellbeing. But why not make that decision quietly? There are ways to handle this without having it belabour to the degree of the "look at me" moment that it has become. Especially when there are a lot of issues with this organization already that need to be handled.

Even worse is putting his family out there in the public like that. It honestly makes little sense to publicize a family discussion that would probably be best handled in private.

The Leafs can't afford this level of indecisiveness in a GM at this stage. Hope he takes the time off and gets some rest. Clearly being GM of the Leafs has rattled him. Not quite cut out for it.

 

[Captain Crunch]

I think he takes on the interim role until they look for a true successor. we got 6 weeks to july 1, not enough time for search, hire, get acclimated

So will that mean we have another rookie GM possibly looking after Matthews' and Nylander's contract negotiations if they wanted to resign? I hope not!

 

[sxvnert]

Dubas holding the team hostage during one of the most important offseasons reeks of immaturity in a powerful gm position. Doesn't want to come back? That's fine. I totally get it if he needs to take time and think about his family's wellbeing. But why not make that decision quietly? There are ways to handle this without having it belabour to the degree of the "look at me" moment that it has become. Especially when there are a lot of issues with this organization already.

Even worse is putting his family out there in the public like that. It honestly makes little sense to publicize a family discussion that would probably be best handled in private.

The Leafs can't afford this level of indecisiveness in a GM at this stage. Hope he takes the time off and gets some rest. Clearly being GM of the Leafs has rattled him. Not quite cut out for it.

Shanny/Ownership allowing to get to the point is even more embarrassing. Plan B (new GM) should have been in place on Tuesday/Wednesday.

 

[3blizzard4]

Imagine the GM of the Yankees saying he needs a chat with the wifey before accepting an extension.