Value of: Elias Pettersson

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Oh, look, another thread that has devolved into Vancouver fans hurting themselves, convinced they’re getting the sun and moon for their player. This is JT Miller last summer all over again, but at least this time the player is actually worth the moon.

The time to acquire David Jiricek was with a top-6 pick in the 2022 draft. That time is now past. Move along.
JT Miller is a good player, and would have got a good return. Pettersson is a great player and would get a great return. The team not trading Miller is mutually exclusive from what Pettersson‘s value is. He would be the best player on the team for pretty much each franchise and is a top ten player (he will
Cement this during the season)
 

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The team with the best chance to make it happen is Columbus or new jersey if they want him but Columbus offer is the best one I've seen
There is one main driver for possibility of EP to move: he wants to be in a team where there is realistic chance of winning.

....So forget Columbus.
 

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No disrespect, espn just posted Petterson 3rd in scoring next year around 110 points, bookies taking bets on 3rd in selke voting, 24 years old , another year until rfa. You wouldn’t trade your second best prospect?

I don’t have a clue or time. Who’s tops out the selke trophy finalists factoring in goals/points and age?
It has nothing to do with what ranking Jiricek is in our prospect pool and more to do with team building. NJ fans are happy to tell everyone Severson cant be your best righty and its not wrong. Jiricek slots everyone behind him long term.

Id love Petterson obviously and Columbus has a ton of assets outside of Jiricek to offer depending on what Vancouver would want to do should they actually need to move Petterson. I dont think Jarmo could stomach moving 2 pieces that important to the future in the same deal
 

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Buffalo will not make a pitch. This is not EA sports.
I would hope Adams would make a pitch. You have to consolidate prospects eventually and why not spend on a young 2 way stud.

I don't think Kuz would be included and I doubt Adams would offer 15 players like an above post but he needs to kick tires at the absolute least. An opportunity to win for EP and a chance to shake some cap for VAN along with some great young players coming back.

We make a lot of sense. Then look at the ridiculous young core for the next 7-8 years and beyond with more big talent coming up. Thompson, EP, Cozens down the middle with 1st rounders coming to fill in the wings. What's the problem with that?
 

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I would hope Adams would make a pitch. You have to consolidate prospects eventually and why not spend on a young 2 way stud.

I don't think Kuz would be included and I doubt Adams would offer 15 players like an above post but he needs to kick tires at the absolute least. An opportunity to win for EP and a chance to shake some cap for VAN along with some great young players coming back.

We make a lot of sense. Then look at the ridiculous young core for the next 7-8 years and beyond with more big talent coming up. Thompson, EP, Cozens down the middle with 1st rounders coming to fill in the wings. What's the problem with that?
First, Petterson is going to be 10m+, which means he will probably be the Sabres highest payed player. The GM that preaches drafting develping and paying their own players is going to go out and trade for their highest paid player? More than their assumed future captain Dahlin will make.

The prospects and players needed will cause massive damage to their depth. Sabres have two good wingers, two okay young ones, two crap ones, and old vets. A team that has not even made the playoffs is going to sell their farm? Not happening.

We already have plenty of center depth in Mitts and Krebs, as well 3 HIGH end prospects with potential to play center.

This trade is 1. too expensive 2. Player is too expensive 3. flat out unnecessary we just locked up our top two centers long term for CHEAP. 4. We can fill holes in 2nd line winger, and a 4D for the same cap and probably still less assets.
 

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Something similar to what eichel got.

1st round pick
Blue Chip prospect.
Roster player
Younger up and coming roster player is my guess
So from buff 2024 1st, 2025 1st and 2nd, Noah ostlund, kiskakov, neuchev and Krebs for unsigned petey?
 

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First, Petterson is going to be 10m+, which means he will probably be the Sabres highest payed player. The GM that preaches drafting develping and paying their own players is going to go out and trade for their highest paid player? More than their assumed future captain Dahlin will make.

The prospects and players needed will cause massive damage to their depth. Sabres have two good wingers, two okay young ones, two crap ones, and old vets. A team that has not even made the playoffs is going to sell their farm? Not happening.

We already have plenty of center depth in Mitts and Krebs, as well 3 HIGH end prospects with potential to play center.

This trade is 1. too expensive 2. Player is too expensive 3. flat out unnecessary we just locked up our top two centers long term for CHEAP. 4. We can fill holes in 2nd line winger, and a 4D for the same cap and probably still less assets.
I get all that. But the cap is going up. The cap floor is going up. Petterson is young and Buffalo will have plenty of cap space to pay him. They can let some guys walk or move them to accommodate EP. I’m not suggesting it’s likely but I’d suspect they’d at least explore it. Allegedly they called about Meier so why not call about Petterson? As for thr trade they won’t trade their core guys so whoever else they trade won’t cripple them. At some point if you can win you have to try to win. Waiting forever for prospects to develop is unlikely to get the team where they want to be. Look at NJ. They drafted and developed and when they saw a core developing they added a UFA in Hamilton and a trade for Meier. They gave up cap space and a prospect and a pick or two and they were rewarded with an excellent season and a playoff win over their most bitter rivals. No reason Buffalo can’t do that and stay within a semi-reasonable budget. Just letting Olofsson go will pay somewhat close to half of what Petterson would want. Let a couple of guys like Okposo walk and you can cobble together another few million in cap space. Buffalo has done a good job drafting guys and adding one sure thing is not going to change that in my view. Ultimately who knows. Maybe VAN has a solid year and he just extends there. Presumably this plays out at the TDL depending upon how VAN is doing.
 

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Actually 2024 1st, 2025 1st and 2nd, ostlund, jokiharu, neuchev, vo, and Rosen/wahlberg seems like fair value
 

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So from buff 2024 1st, 2025 1st and 2nd, Noah ostlund, kiskakov, neuchev and Krebs for unsigned petey?
Idiot owner won't rebuild, so would probably need Cozens, not quantity. Would understand the hesitation...
 

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I get all that. But the cap is going up. The cap floor is going up. Petterson is young and Buffalo will have plenty of cap space to pay him. They can let some guys walk or move them to accommodate EP. I’m not suggesting it’s likely but I’d suspect they’d at least explore it. Allegedly they called about Meier so why not call about Petterson? As for thr trade they won’t trade their core guys so whoever else they trade won’t cripple them. At some point if you can win you have to try to win. Waiting forever for prospects to develop is unlikely to get the team where they want to be. Look at NJ. They drafted and developed and when they saw a core developing they added a UFA in Hamilton and a trade for Meier. They gave up cap space and a prospect and a pick or two and they were rewarded with an excellent season and a playoff win over their most bitter rivals. No reason Buffalo can’t do that and stay within a semi-reasonable budget. Just letting Olofsson go will pay somewhat close to half of what Petterson would want. Let a couple of guys like Okposo walk and you can cobble together another few million in cap space. Buffalo has done a good job drafting guys and adding one sure thing is not going to change that in my view. Ultimately who knows. Maybe VAN has a solid year and he just extends there. Presumably this plays out at the TDL depending upon how VAN is doing.
The problem is the contracts immediately get more expensive when the cap goes up. They were never really in on Meier. KA calls on everyone, it's his job. Sabres recent prospects in the nhl: Peterka, Quinn, Power. 3 players that qualified for the calder. The whole argument of Sabres waiting too long on their prospects instead of making moves is incredibly false. Seasons the Sabres weren't terrible: 1. They don' t know if Quinn or Peterka can be a top 6 winger, and their next 4 are Olofsson Greenway GIrgensons and Okposo. They have NOTHING figured out long term at winger besides Tuch and Skinner. You really want a center with how bad our winger depth is? and you want to get rid of 2/3 of our best prospects to fill those holes to acquire him? It is a bad idea, a bad trade, and a bad fit. To suggest anything else is just saying "I want to watch him on my team" or "I play too much EA Sports".

Actually 2024 1st, 2025 1st and 2nd, ostlund, jokiharu, neuchev, vo, and Rosen/wahlberg seems like fair value
Not signed-value drops. Player wants out-Value drops. Take off a first and probably VO (Eww). On second though leave him in haha.
 

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The problem is the contracts immediately get more expensive when the cap goes up. They were never really in on Meier. KA calls on everyone, it's his job. Sabres recent prospects in the nhl: Peterka, Quinn, Power. 3 players that qualified for the calder. The whole argument of Sabres waiting too long on their prospects instead of making moves is incredibly false. Seasons the Sabres weren't terrible: 1. They don' t know if Quinn or Peterka can be a top 6 winger, and their next 4 are Olofsson Greenway GIrgensons and Okposo. They have NOTHING figured out long term at winger besides Tuch and Skinner. You really want a center with how bad our winger depth is? and you want to get rid of 2/3 of our best prospects to fill those holes to acquire him? It is a bad idea, a bad trade, and a bad fit. To suggest anything else is just saying "I want to watch him on my team" or "I play too much EA Sports".


Not signed-value drops. Player wants out-Value drops. Take off a first and probably VO (Eww). On second though leave him in haha.
You will make a better argument if you avoid insulting people that disagree with you. I don’t play any EA sports and I’m well aware of your point. We just see it differently.
 
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You will make a better argument if you avoid insulting people that disagree with you. I don’t play any EA sports and I’m well aware of your point. We just see it differently.
I am stating a fact. It does not fit at all. There is no insult towards you. People who want to acquire a THIRD first line center are playing EA sports. it is not reality.
 

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First, Petterson is going to be 10m+, which means he will probably be the Sabres highest payed player. The GM that preaches drafting develping and paying their own players is going to go out and trade for their highest paid player? More than their assumed future captain Dahlin will make.

The prospects and players needed will cause massive damage to their depth. Sabres have two good wingers, two okay young ones, two crap ones, and old vets. A team that has not even made the playoffs is going to sell their farm? Not happening.

We already have plenty of center depth in Mitts and Krebs, as well 3 HIGH end prospects with potential to play center.

This trade is 1. too expensive 2. Player is too expensive 3. flat out unnecessary we just locked up our top two centers long term for CHEAP. 4. We can fill holes in 2nd line winger, and a 4D for the same cap and probably still less assets.
Where do you rank Dahlin Among defensemen in the league?
 

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good luck getting him in under $10m then. 11.7% of the cap will likely be the Sabres initial offer. Looking at Werensk, Jones, McAvoy, Fox and Nurse as comparables. Then start adding as you feel how much better he is than some of those players. Plus a Buffalo tax.
 

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good luck getting him in under $10m then. 11.7% of the cap will likely be the Sabres initial offer. Looking at Werensk, Jones, McAvoy, Fox and Nurse as comparables. Then start adding as you feel how much better he is than some of those players. Plus a Buffalo tax.
A Buffalo tax? Like how expensive Thompson and Cozens were to sign? What a joke. I really don't even care If he signs for 10m. Pettersson will want more than 10m for sure.
 

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First, Petterson is going to be 10m+, which means he will probably be the Sabres highest payed player. The GM that preaches drafting develping and paying their own players is going to go out and trade for their highest paid player? More than their assumed future captain Dahlin will make.

The prospects and players needed will cause massive damage to their depth. Sabres have two good wingers, two okay young ones, two crap ones, and old vets. A team that has not even made the playoffs is going to sell their farm? Not happening.

We already have plenty of center depth in Mitts and Krebs, as well 3 HIGH end prospects with potential to play center.

This trade is 1. too expensive 2. Player is too expensive 3. flat out unnecessary we just locked up our top two centers long term for CHEAP. 4. We can fill holes in 2nd line winger, and a 4D for the same cap and probably still less assets.
Well I definitely understand the hesitation. Dahlin will probably be around 10M. Does EP deserve that? Certainly. But that number comes from a skewed narrative that he just wants to get paid and the original story was that he just wants to win. Maybe he's happy with 8M on a good team because there's not a whole lot of 10M space good teams.

Let's say it's an Eichel like return. 1st, 2nd, good roster player and A (not A+) prospect. Maybe they do cave on Savoie or Benson, JJP and some picks. That's far from gutting the farm. You have Kulich, Rosen, remaining of Savoie/Benson not yet in the NHL as well as Quinn, Greenway Mitts, VO, possibly Krebs already in your middle 6. And those are just a few that could step in as early as this season with several other guys a year or two away. You can even toss in a Kisakov or Nadeau type and it still wouldn't hurt.

Does it hurt Cozens to be the "3rd line C?" Nah. We've hashed it out on our boards. 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines had near identical TOI and very close to 1st line. There just isn't much of a difference.

I don't know how seriously Adams would make a bid and I've stated that he probably won't move prospects until he has to move them but maybe he's just waiting for the right trade. That's 3 excellent young centers to go with our talented young D core with still lots more ELCs waiting to make the team.
 

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