Speculation: Elias Pettersson will want out of Vancouver (Russo of the Athletic)

[AKL]

Look no further as an example that when “russo” just reported,

Do you think Russo is fake or something

 

[Three On Zero]

Who the hell pays to read that shit. Wouldn’t even read that shit for free.

Look no further as an example that when “russo” just reported, when 4 weeks ago his agent said petterson loves van. Let’s not forget how they smeared Evander Kanes problems in his personal life. Who the hell does that.

If his agent came out with a retort like “my client is currently focusing on the season and we will see what happens in July”. That would raise cause for being concerned

 

[mouser]

With all due respect, the participants/readers of this board get inundated with yellow tags for every Dhaliwal tidbit, of which most are rosy for the Canucks.

The dismissal of Russo, conspicuously when it’s negative for Vancouver, falls flat in that context. JMO.

Personally, I don’t dismiss Russo. ”There are behind the scenes stuff going on” in Vancouver (implied but not explicitly stated Pettersson may dislike) would qualify as a rumor with an implied source which may very well be true.

Its that next step of saying Pettersson “will want out“ that is crossing into speculation. And Russo clearly qualifies it as so—“my gut says”, “will probably want out”. It may be educated speculation, but it’s still speculation. There’s no indication from Russo that Pettersson is even the source of any inside info he might have to. From previous work Russo has done it is more likely in my opinion his sources are teammates or people other than Pettersson.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Athletic must be hurting for subscriptions, trying to get a few more. Can’t fault the guy though, vultures are circling the Canucks carcass

His agent is spraying perfume on a pile of shit.

What's he supposed to say? Oh Elias hates Vancouver because they are loser dysfunctional team...? No agent would be dumb enough to say that.

In my eyes, his words read more like "he likes the city, hates that the team is losing and Vancouver better be willing to pay an obnoxious amount to keep him around if they continue this trend of losing."

 

[AKL]

Personally, I don’t dismiss Russo. ”There are behind the scenes stuff going on” in Vancouver (implied but not specifically stated Pettersson may dislike) would qualify as a rumor with an implied source which may very well be true.

Its that next step of saying Pettersson “will want out“ that is crossing into speculation. And Russo clearly qualifies it as so—“my gut says”, “will probably want out”. It may be educated speculation, but it’s still speculation. There’s no indication from Russo that Pettersson is even the source of any inside info he might have to. From previous work Russo has done it is more likely in my opinion his sources are teammates or people other than Pettersson.

A thread based on Friedman saying Provorov could be traded out of Philadelphia is still marked as a rumor btw. Probably should change that to speculation if you wanna remain logically consistent.

 

[Three On Zero]

His agent is spraying perfume on a pile of shit.

What's he supposed to say? Oh Elias hates Vancouver because they are loser dysfunctional team...? No agent would be dumb enough to say that.

In my eyes, his words read more like "he likes the city, hates that the team is losing and Vancouver better be willing to pay an obnoxious amount to keep him around if they continue this trend of losing."

Agents allude to going to market all the time

 

[mouser]

A thread based on Friedman saying Provorov could be traded out of Philadelphia is still marked as a rumor btw. Probably should change that to speculation if you wanna remain logically consistent.

Possibly, but there’s also a logical difference between a thread title stating something “will” happen and a thread claiming something “could” happen.

The moderation goal here isn’t to get every Rumor vs Speculation prefix perfect. If a prefix is clearly wrong or prone to misunderstanding/misleading it’s more likely to be changed—as I have decided to do with this specific thread.

 

[Brobust]

Russo's more speculation than rumour outside of Minnesota. I doubt he has sources with the Canucks or Petterson.

More like league wide opinion rather than actual insider information.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Personally, I don’t dismiss Russo. ”There are behind the scenes stuff going on” in Vancouver (implied but not explicitly stated Pettersson may dislike) would qualify as a rumor with an implied source which may very well be true.

Its that next step of saying Pettersson “will want out“ that is crossing into speculation. And Russo clearly qualifies it as so—“my gut says”, “will probably want out”. It may be educated speculation, but it’s still speculation. There’s no indication from Russo that Pettersson is even the source of any inside info he might have to. From previous work Russo has done it is more likely in my opinion his sources are teammates or people other than Pettersson.

Just to be clear, I don't have a problem with the thread tag change. I understand your perspective. Frankly, it shouldn't be a big deal either way.

What I didn't care for and what that post was directed to were the attacks on his credibility by a certain poster. It screams that they don't like the info, therefore it's illegitimate. If he had said...

"My gut says Elias is still going to want to commit to Vancouver long-term. That's just total gut, um, a little gut and a little bit of knowledge."

... we're most likely not having this particular discussion. Don't pick and choose the validity of legit sources based on your feelings about the content.

 

[ginner classic]

The issue is obviously JT Miller. There is zero love or respect between the two.

Every bad Canuck signing has a knock on effect of two or three more massive losses.

 

[AKL]

Russo's more speculation than rumour outside of Minnesota. I doubt he has sources with the Canucks or Petterson.

More like league wide opinion rather than actual insider information.

Russo has close relationships with the Canucks head coach, assistant coach, and one of their top scorers over the last six years.

 

[Jozay]

I mean if Pettersson wants to win, one would think he was going to move on anyways

 

[VaporTrail]

At this point, just move the Canucks

Vancouver to Houston - e5

 

[Three On Zero]

one way or another, this will be hilarious to look back on

 

[ginner classic]

I can't imagine any player on the Camucks wanting to re-sign here. Especially college free agents. This framchise is a complete train wreck. One UFA I think we won't get this year is Jake Livingstone. Also can't see Aiden McDonough signing. Why would he?

 

[LemonSauceD]

Yeah I can't think of one reason why an agent for a player would come out and say the rumor that his player doesn't want to play on the team he's contractually bound to for another year and a half isn't true, other than Russo being a liar and a click baiter. That must be the only explanation for that.

Whole lot of Wild fans here trying to justify this being a Rumor because their boy was the one who created it

Any time you mention gut feeling, it’s speculative, doesn’t matter what’s said after. Also, just because someone says “I don’t make stuff up”, doesn’t mean they actually dont.

There are far more reliable sources from our LOCAL reporters/insiders such as Farhan Lalji, Dan Murphy, Ian Macintyre, and bunch more, who would be the first ones to report on such things before some random guy in the middle of nowhere across the border.

 

[Prior]

Russo has close relationships with the Canucks head coach, assistant coach, and one of their top scorers over the last six years.

Is this also a bad time to mention that Russo is also very close to Brisson family? Seems strange to question Russo’s connections here when he’s clearly very close to the situation, especially considering how much that coaching staff likes to talk.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Whole lot of Wild fans here trying to justify this being a Rumor because their boy was the one who created it

Any time you mention gut feeling, it’s speculative, doesn’t matter what’s said after. Also, just because someone says “I don’t make stuff up”, doesn’t mean they actually dont.

There are far more reliable sources from our LOCAL reporters/insiders such as Farhan Lalji, Dan Murphy, Ian Macintyre, and bunch more, who would be the first ones to report on such things before some random guy in the middle of nowhere across the border.

This post tries so hard. And it's hilarious.

 

[Sota Popinski]

When someone close to a player debunks the speculation from someone on the outside, you tend to believe the guy with the inside knowledge

My mom says I'm the most handsome man on earth, and she has no reason to lie.

 

[Hoglander]

I'll believe it when I see it. This is clickbait bs based on a comment about EP wanting to win from a few years ago, as anything negative about the Canucks right now is just low-hanging fruit.

He'll be locked up longterm because he won't pass up the money that will be offered, and Swedes love Vancouver-as he's already said. I'll take his word over some media guy from Minnesota.

 

[lawrence]

His agent is spraying perfume on a pile of shit.

What's he supposed to say? Oh Elias hates Vancouver because they are loser dysfunctional team...? No agent would be dumb enough to say that.

In my eyes, his words read more like "he likes the city, hates that the team is losing and Vancouver better be willing to pay an obnoxious amount to keep him around if they continue this trend of losing."

What was he supposed to say ? He could have said nothing and not accept a phone call to be on dhaliwals show ?

I believe he loves the city though.

Russo has close relationships with the Canucks head coach, assistant coach, and one of their top scorers over the last six years.

And brisson is petterssons agent.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Whole lot of Wild fans here trying to justify this being a Rumor because their boy was the one who created it

Any time you mention gut feeling, it’s speculative, doesn’t matter what’s said after. Also, just because someone says “I don’t make stuff up”, doesn’t mean they actually dont.

There are far more reliable sources from our LOCAL reporters/insiders such as Farhan Lalji, Dan Murphy, Ian Macintyre, and bunch more, who would be the first ones to report on such things before some random guy in the middle of nowhere across the border.

Whole lot of Canucks fans here trying to justify it’s not a rumor by attacking Russo’s credibility because it’s about their best player

I think if Russo threw that in there, saying Wild fans know he doesn’t just make stuff up, then he has a source or serious cause to believe that.

His agent isn’t going to trash the canucks. He basically said Pettersson hates losing and that they will talk a contract with Vancouver. He’s an RFA. Vancouver holds his rights. If he wants to play the 24-25 season he has to sign some form of contract with them (or offer sheet). Read between the lines here.

 

[jackjohnson]

Move em to Houston, Houston Canucks has a ring to it

Houston? Canucks are lucky to be in Vancouver. Why would NHL be dumb enough to move the 6th most profitable NHL team to Houston lol they won't be selling $500 tix and $12 beers there, that's for sure

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Whole lot of Canucks fans here trying to justify it’s not a rumor by attacking Russo’s credibility because it’s about their best player

I think if Russo threw that in there, saying Wild fans know he doesn’t just make stuff up, then he has a source or serious cause to believe that.

His agent isn’t going to trash the canucks. He basically said Pettersson hates losing and that they will talk a contract with Vancouver. He’s an RFA. Vancouver holds his rights. If he wants to play the 24-25 season he has to sign some form of contract with them (or offer sheet). Read between the lines here.

This. His comments, if true, mean the Canucks have one more season to convince Pettersson to sign long term by showing they can assemble a competitive team. Pettersson and his agent have already indicated this on multiple occasions.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Do you think Russo is fake or something

he does toss shit against the wall sometimes