SoupNazi
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You expected his agent to say he hates Vancouver and wants out tomorrow? Most agents aren't going to do that whether it's true or not.
Speculation: Elias Pettersson will want out of Vancouver (Russo of the Athletic)
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Jumptheshark
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I would love to see the exchange between the mods who keep changing the prefix of the threads
if you listen to it--it is clearly speculation
if you listen to it--it is clearly speculation
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Eventually something will stick when you report on markets out of your depths
BagHead
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Completely accurate, my fellow canucks fans need to start being more realistic about this.
So you think Bruce and Yeo are telling Russo this insiderrrrrr information? Perhaps Judd Brackett has secret microphones and taps in the locker room and he’s relaying to his best pal Russo who confirms it with his ever so healthy, lively, “gut” feeling.
This man must be a prophet or something, I mean he lives in the middle of nowhere, has people believing everything he says to be credible, and has a very cultural, perhaps even hindsight level of guts.
Again, nobody is saying Pettersson may NOT want out. We also don’t know if he wants to stay. Hence its speculation. Unless a closer source that’s not 3000 kilometres away and is a direct source says otherwise (like his agent), then it’s speculative at best.
His agent saying he wants to stay is the most credible source we have that’s directly connected to Pettersson. Yes, he may be just saying it for obvious reasons, but that’s probably all the info we really have on what he wants. We can speculate whether his agent is lying or not, but he remains to be more credible than any random guy across the border.
Frankie Blueberries
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They switched it twice, because I switched it back once. I was on the fence on whether this was speculation/rumour but it really doesn’t matter. Anyone who follows the Canucks closely and isn’t a blind homer trying to do damage control here can see Pettersson has issues with the team and there are issues in the locker room (multiple insiders have reported it over the last year or two). There is discontent with this group and Russo is just adding more smoke here.
DudeWhereIsMakar
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Vancouver is basically a dumpster fire at this point.
It'd be messed up to think the owners like JT Miller's drive and urge to win. Because that's literally what's causing the dumpster fire.
Might as well tank for Bedard. But my bigger question is where does Pettersson go?
It'd be messed up to think the owners like JT Miller's drive and urge to win. Because that's literally what's causing the dumpster fire.
Might as well tank for Bedard. But my bigger question is where does Pettersson go?
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You honestly believe that JT Miller’s play this season is the biggest problem with this team? Really?
I mean defense e, and our overhauled medical staff being under investigation after all the rumours of how star players have been treated by them for two. And that is without thinking about it and typing without a plan.
thenextone
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If Petterson lands us another top 5 pick in the 2023 draft, it would be a rebuild kickstarter like Kane and Toews back in the day.
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The entire coaching staff will be overhauled again before they entertain the idea of moving a team controlled asset. And even than it’s likely Pettersson isn’t moved until next year after the 2023 draft
CapsFrontOffice
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There are just so many ways I can comment here but.....that's gonna leave a mark. OUCH!
DudeWhereIsMakar
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Overall, it's the ownership of the Canucks and how they manage things. But within the players and the dressing room it's JT Miller, toxicity aside his contract is a big issue. Not just that, the ownership loves Miller for his drive to win which the owners believe every year they're cup bound.
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To be fair, you're speculating that Russo has no insight because he doesn't live in Vancouver. And while I don't disagree that at this point, his agent's comments are the most credible, that's hardly proof that there isn't something else going on in the background.
So you think Bruce and Yeo are telling Russo this insiderrrrrr information? Perhaps Judd Brackett has secret microphones and taps in the locker room and he’s relaying to his best pal Russo who confirms it with his ever so healthy, lively, “gut” feeling.
This man must be a prophet or something, I mean he lives in the middle of nowhere, has people believing everything he says to be credible, and has a very cultural, perhaps even hindsight level of guts.
Again, nobody is saying Pettersson may NOT want out. We also don’t know if he wants to stay. Hence its speculation. Unless a closer source that’s not 3000 kilometres away and is a direct source says otherwise (like his agent), then it’s speculative at best.
His agent saying he wants to stay is the most credible source we have that’s directly connected to Pettersson. Yes, he may be just saying it for obvious reasons, but that’s probably all the info we really have on what he wants. We can speculate whether his agent is lying or not, but he remains to be more credible than any random guy across the border.
Having insight into other teams is not overly hard if you're heavily involved in the game. Agents, players, coaches, trainers, managers, etc., all move around.
I just tend to believe that he's not lying, until he's proven to be untrustworthy. And that doesn't happen because he reports something and it doesn't come to fruition. Teams and players talk all the time.
I think it is more likely that Pettersson stays and that Vancouver figures it out, but I also don't find it hard to believe that he may be unhappy at this time and that there is some stuff going on in the locker room that is creating issues with that team.
Jumptheshark
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It is in the middle ground. As Russo said "it is a little bit of my gut and a little bit of knowledge".
Call it educated speculation if you like.
The point being that any outcry is solely the result of the content of what he said rather than the merits of speculation vs. rumor.
If a "rumor" prefix is posted where Russo says "it is a little bit of my gut and a little bit of knowledge that Pettersson wants to sign a big deal in Vancouver" then there wouldn't be one single poster worried about whether it is a rumor or speculation. Vancouver fans would take it as gospel and few others would care.
Frankie Blueberries
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Agreed, our most extreme homers are a bit too sensitive and biased. The more level headed Canucks fans spent the last several years debating with these same posters that Jim Benning was a bad GM, yet they ignored all the data and pretended he was great. A lot of our fan base is pretty irrational.
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Maybe in the off season, after the lottery.. but you aren't getting a top 5 pick unprotected. EP is also very good, but it wouldn't be wise of a bottom five team to trade for him. None of those teams are an EP away from competing.
Chances are, if he really wants out, you'd be looking at trading him to a competitive team, looking to get over the top.
It's really sad what has happened there, and like I've said about Ottawa in the past, no fanbase deserves such poor ownership. I hope that you guys get new ownership soon, and can sort out the mess, top to bottom. It really looks like there is dysfunction at every level.
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