Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - A Forward Who Scores

[Hodgy]

It was one of the first things I said… I emphasized the other parts of the interview, that seemed much more relevant.

You think him saying he has no pain and that his knee is fine is much less relevant?

 

[racerjoe]

You think him saying he has no pain and that his knee is fine is much less relevant?

In context when he immediately then speaks about how it bothers him, about how he had to train differently yes.

Again it doesn’t need to be pain that bothers him…

 

[Hodgy]

In context when he immediately then speaks about how it bothers him, about how he had to train differently yes.

Again it doesn’t need to be pain that bothers him…

That’s a pretty bizarre interpretation. It’s clearly super relevant that he said he had no pain and his knee is fine, and ignoring that when paraphrasing his words is a misrepresentation of the entire quote. I think he even said it wasn’t a big deal, but ya, not relevant, right?

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I feel like it’s probably more that first step or two than pure straight line speed that really hurts, which is also what tends to go with age when we see guys decline and would probably be related to the knee if it’s still a problem. Petey at his best has his moments of using speed, but so much is more shiftiness, and that hasn’t been there for a lot of the slump.

I think its both, that first step is a problem as he doesn't have any explosive power. But the straight line speed is also an issue as he cannot pull away from back checkers on the rush. Watching Petey flying down the ice on his first NHL goal, then watch him routinely get caught from behind through the neutral zone now, it is definitely a problem for him.

You made a good point about his shiftiness though, that has also disappeared. It used to allow him to be unpredictable, but now he can't really shake off from a defender.

 

[Zaddy91]

I hope this is all some crazy arc in Canucks history where he looks done for his career then goes God mode in playoffs.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

It's so strange to me that some posters have this myopic view where a player is either the GOAT or he 'suxors' cause he's 'dogging it'.

Any and all evidence means nothing in the face of this.

It couldn't be that they are human and play differently when injured or losing confidence. Nope. They make millions so they aren't human and aren't prone to human frailties.

Surely that's the most logical conclusion.

 

[JT Milker]

It's so strange to me that some posters have this myopic view where a player is either the GOAT or he 'suxors' cause he's 'dogging it'.

Any and all evidence means nothing in the face of this.

It couldn't be that they are human and play differently when injured or losing confidence. Nope. They make millions so they aren't human and aren't prone to human frailties.

Surely that's the most logical conclusion.

Who said Pettersson is a bad player, not just playing badly?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Who said Pettersson is a bad player, not just playing badly?

There has been a f*** ton of, 'this guy doesn't care, they need to deal him' on these boards.

And, as usual when it becomes obvious that the kneejerkers were wrong and it was a slump, an injury, etc. There's a whole bunch of "I never said that, I said there were concerns".

 

[racerjoe]

That’s a pretty bizarre interpretation. It’s clearly super relevant that he said he had no pain and his knee is fine, and ignoring that when paraphrasing his words is a misrepresentation of the entire quote. I think he even said it wasn’t a big deal, but ya, not relevant, right?

If he is feeling pain or not… he had to change his training…. If that doesn’t mean it is effecting his play, or has… I don’t know what to tell you. That is the most relevant part of the quote…

I also guess we can also take Hronek fully at his word and say he wasn’t injured at the end of last season right?

 

[MS]

It's so strange to me that some posters have this myopic view where a player is either the GOAT or he 'suxors' cause he's 'dogging it'.

Any and all evidence means nothing in the face of this.

It couldn't be that they are human and play differently when injured or losing confidence. Nope. They make millions so they aren't human and aren't prone to human frailties.

Surely that's the most logical conclusion.

The most obvious answer (and what the team seems to believe, based on the way they've handled this) has always been that this is a mentally weak/fragile player whose performance craters to an unacceptable extent when dealing with a minor injury niggle or off-ice distraction, or some other form of turbulence in his career. Something minor happens and he gets lost in his own head and shuts down and stops competing. And we've seen the same pattern over and over again at this point.

Nobody (or at least nobody capable of framing a logical argument) saying HE SUX or HE NOT TRYING GOT CONTRACT LAZY BUM.

 

[Bankerguy]

I really hope he has pain in his knee and the pain is limiting his explosiveness.... because if he's feeling fine and his statistical decrease in speed bursts is just like his new 'anatomical norm' we are in big trouble with this contract

 

[Hodgy]

If he is feeling pain or not… he had to change his training…. If that doesn’t mean it is effecting his play, or has… I don’t know what to tell you. That is the most relevant part of the quote…

I also guess we can also take Hronek fully at his word and say he wasn’t injured at the end of last season right?

Pretty obviously you left out very relevant parts of the quote. I can see you are not willing to admit that so let’s just move on.

 

[racerjoe]

Pretty obviously you left out very relevant parts of the quote. I can see you are not willing to admit that so let’s just move on.

It’s rich you think this when I left nothing out, and want to ignore the obvious points of the quote and concentrate on the pain portion… which I admit and have talked about. It’s clear why you want to move on so sure.

 

[Hodgy]

It’s rich you think this when I left nothing out, and want to ignore the obvious points of the quote and concentrate on the pain portion… which I admit and have talked about. It’s clear why you want to move on so sure.

What are you talking about. Unless I am missing something, your initial post paraphrasing Peterrsson’s comments totally omitted that he said he felt no pain in his knee, that his knee was fine and that it wasn’t a big deal, and you think these comments aren’t relevant in assessing the impact the injury has had on him? You are out to lunch.

And I’m not even getting into what his comments meant or should be interpreted to mean, we are just talking about other they are relevant.

 

[rypper]

For his standard and skill he's definitely been dogfart. The last two games he's been good. He has been responsible in his own end and making sure he tidies up his own zone - I've seen lots of nice shot blocks. But offensively his creativity has been completely MIA. If you think he hasn't been bad then I truly think you forget how good Pettersson has been in the past.

Pettersson who closed out the season last year and into the playoffs is not the same Pettersson we've seen this year.

He's been a lot better. He's still not the same player who dominates games or to the level he can be, but he hasn't been the empty husk of a player who went to the all star game last season and basically never returned.

He's been improving (slowly) every game. You can't just point at the player from last year and think it's a straight continuation.

 

[racerjoe]

What are you talking about. Unless I am missing something, your initial post paraphrasing Peterrsson’s comments totally omitted that he said he felt no pain in his knee, that his knee was fine and that it wasn’t a big deal, and you think these comments aren’t relevant in assessing the impact the injury has had on him? You are out to lunch.

And I’m not even getting into what his comments meant or should be interpreted to mean, we are just talking about other they are relevant.

That’s semantics, I said he claimed it wasn’t bothering him…

 

[Hodgy]

That’s semantics, I said he claimed it wasn’t bothering him…

None of this is semantics. I called you out for cherry picking parts of the quote which you did. The parts you left out were relevant. Let’s move on.

 

[racerjoe]

None of this is semantics. I called you out for cherry picking parts of the quote which you did. The parts you left out were relevant. Let’s move on.

Holly crap… if you feel pain yes it’s bothering you… so me saying not bothering is the same damn thing…

 

[MS]

Pettersson who closed out the season last year and into the playoffs is not the same Pettersson we've seen this year.

He's been a lot better. He's still not the same player who dominates games or to the level he can be, but he hasn't been the empty husk of a player who went to the all star game last season and basically never returned.

He's been improving (slowly) every game. You can't just point at the player from last year and think it's a straight continuation.

Most of the first 10 games looked exactly the same to me.

There were a couple games early on the road where he showed a pulse but other than that it was pretty much all terrible. I actually thought the 2 or 3 games immediately before the LA game were some of his absolute worst. I counted 3 times in the Anaheim game alone where he was favoured to win a puck race and just pulled up and quit skating and conceded possession. Then suddenly in the next game he was hustling those out. It was like a switch flicked.

 

[mriswith]

So ya, I don't think its a new stance from me.

Look, you started this argument with me 6 months ago over my statement that I would be surprised if he wasn't injured. You repeatedly argued, over and over again with me, about this statement.

Either I am to believe that you actually agreed with me the entire time that you were arguing with me that yes, he was injured last year and yes, it effected his play to some unknown degree, and you just wanted to endlessly argue with me about it anyways and couldn't bring yourself to point out that you actually agreed with what I was saying, or you changed your opinion and are denying that you did.

Given that you literally started this argument over me saying I thought he was injured, continued again and again on that topic despite me repeatedly and extremely clearly outlining my position that an injury last year was only one factor, unranked in order of significance and not the only reason for his play, and that you also said you found it unbelievable that I would think he was injured in the face of your Boudreau quote, I think you've changed your opinion.

Frankly, if that's not the case it's so much worse. The idea that you actually also thought he was injured the whole time and it was some amount of a factor in his slump, and just decided to start argument after argument with me over my opinion that he was injured is nauseating and so much worse than the alternative, and definitely not going to continue anymore.

 

[Bobby9]

I really hope he has pain in his knee and the pain is limiting his explosiveness.... because if he's feeling fine and his statistical decrease in speed bursts is just like his new 'anatomical norm' we are in big trouble with this contract

He throws massive hits for his size every game. He isn’t injured. Enough

 

[Bankerguy]

He throws massive hits for his size every game. He isn’t injured. Enough

then why is he skating almost the same distance travelled now compared to pre-tendonitis BUT Speed burts over 20 mph are down from an 88th percentile ranking to 34th? what else but an injury explains that?

 

[Bobby9]

then why is he skating almost the same distance travelled now compared to pre-tendonitis BUT Speed burts over 20 mph are down from an 88th percentile ranking to 34th? what else but an injury explains that?

He doesn’t want to.