Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - A Forward Who Scores
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Pettersson was dominant last night, was everywhere in the offensive zone, beating defenders to the puck consistently, maintaining puck possession, creating scoring chances, had the puck on his stick a lot, excellent game, nice to see.
Yup. The difference in engagement virtually overnight is just blatantly obvious.
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Lock er up. Pick up the pitchforks because now it's time to put heat on JT Miller!
You guys do realize that physical injuries takes time to heal.. You don't go from like 50%-100% overnight and also it takes time to get confidence back even when the body has healed to a certain point. We hear it all the time from athletes across all sports, it takes time for people to believe in their body again and feel comfortable to push the limits of their body.
Was there confidence issue? Yeah of course. But to simplify to just that is just stupid considering we still see that he is not 100% physically. Just look at his shot, he doesn't use his lower body at all when he is shooting.
Still doesn’t seem to have that extra gear in his skating as in past years.
I think he's just figuring out how to play without relying on pure speed and pure power. I don't think he will recover from tendonitis this season, probably need another off season of training to really really get around it.
I think over long term him figuring out how to produce without relying on just speed and power will be good but we won't see peak Petey until he is fully recovered. But I think when we see peak Petey again, it will be a higher peak because there will be more facets to his game.
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Its hilarious to watch some people talk about Petey, mention how he looked bad for half the season when he came back from injury, and how similar he looks this season to that season, but still try and say injury isn't a current factor...
We know he was injured then and coming back from wrist surgery, we know he was injured this year and coming back from knee issues. Hey look both times it took him time to get up to speed! Shocked.
This isn't to say confidence isn't part of it, it sure as hell is when you are dealing with injuries you are not confident you can do certain things and it takes time to come back.
People also state elite players don't have slumps like this... then don't look at Mckinnon in his down years, and I am sure other players too had similar down times, I think Karlsson did if memory serves me. We just like being hard on this player... and i don't know why.
Criticism is fair... but being open to information is also a must. Knowing not all players react the same and some injuries are worse for certain players/people, and look at history to help form opinions.
We know he was injured then and coming back from wrist surgery, we know he was injured this year and coming back from knee issues. Hey look both times it took him time to get up to speed! Shocked.
This isn't to say confidence isn't part of it, it sure as hell is when you are dealing with injuries you are not confident you can do certain things and it takes time to come back.
People also state elite players don't have slumps like this... then don't look at Mckinnon in his down years, and I am sure other players too had similar down times, I think Karlsson did if memory serves me. We just like being hard on this player... and i don't know why.
Criticism is fair... but being open to information is also a must. Knowing not all players react the same and some injuries are worse for certain players/people, and look at history to help form opinions.
Bleach Clean
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Still doesn't have his typical acceleration (something is still going on), but is getting involved. Him going to the net consistently is encouraging.
I think they have him with the right wingers now in Garland and DeBrusk. Hoglander doesn't think the game well enough to play with Pettersson and putting him back up there could derail the progress made thus far.
The Hoglander-Pettersson-Garland line was coming along until Hoglander was bad against CAR or NJ (can't recall) and then he just lost his spot. After that it was Suter and then DeBrusk. The last two shifts have coincided with better play from Pettersson (individually and from the line itself).
I think they have him with the right wingers now in Garland and DeBrusk. Hoglander doesn't think the game well enough to play with Pettersson and putting him back up there could derail the progress made thus far.
The Hoglander-Pettersson-Garland line was coming along until Hoglander was bad against CAR or NJ (can't recall) and then he just lost his spot. After that it was Suter and then DeBrusk. The last two shifts have coincided with better play from Pettersson (individually and from the line itself).
strattonius
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I'm fully behind Pettersson so excited to see his game turn around here, it's just odd having someone try to convince you it MUST be an injury and smear it in your face as his game turns around - Because the fact that his game is turning around is somehow proof it was a knee injury? I don't get the correlation.
Sounds like you're more invested in being right, rather than having a rational debate about what was wrong.
Having a rational debate would be looking at evidence and trying to figure out what is leading to his drop in play. Saying "he is just dogging it" is not looking at evidence, that's just treating personal opinion as fact. Having injury and injury limiting physical effectiveness is a hypothesis, the evidence is edge data showing he is slower, shoots with less power.
I find it funny that everyone acknowledge that when a player gets older and loses a step, their game becomes less effective but if a player has an injury that causes him to lose a step, well somehow that can't be used to explain why their game became less effective.
Literally everyone, including Pettersson : Pettersson is not hurt.
Tocchet, management, media : The issue is compete and moving his feet. There is concern. They're working hard to fix it.
*Pettersson obviously shows better engagement and compete*
Fans : Obviously his non-existent injury has magically healed!
I honestly can't even.
Tocchet, management, media : The issue is compete and moving his feet. There is concern. They're working hard to fix it.
*Pettersson obviously shows better engagement and compete*
Fans : Obviously his non-existent injury has magically healed!
I honestly can't even.
strattonius
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You're just exaggerating one side of the debate.
I have not personally said or thought 'he is just dogging it'.
I think his poor play has been more mental and he's over thinking the game. Not skating and not shooting the puck - this doesn't mean you think someone isn't trying. The try has been there but his fundamentals are all out of whack he's never in the right place making the right play. THAT has been different the last two games. Honestly a totally different player I hope he keeps it up.
Edge data before injury
Edge data where he spent half the season injured
Edge data during the post-season where he was definitely injured
This season coming back from injury
As I've said many times now, those skating stats are absolutely worthless unless you can tell me what his skating numbers looked like in 2021 when he was playing equally terrible.
The organization has been about as cut-and-dried as they could possibly be that this is not an injury issue. And if there was even a hint that this was injury related, it would have been released to relieve pressure on the player.
Yeah he was particularly bad last night with his two primary assists on the first two goals
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It was a joke (JT Miller is also playing with some injury too).
Right or wrong... he HAD AN INURY and it was reported... that is fact. Like that isn't up for debate...
I am not saying he is currently, hurt... I am saying he is coming back from injury.
However Petey has said his knee isn't 100% he has learned to train around it.
I think most of this is him coming back from an injury... and pointing to 2021 where he was equally as bad... agrees with me...
Skating stats showed how fast he was when he was fully healthy for one full season with a healthy offseason prior to it. In 2021, he missed like 9 months and part of the offseason because of his wrist injury, if anything you would expect the 2021 season to reflect the impact of a loss off season of training.
The organization also decided to let Mik played with a torn ACL like no other team would. We also had cases where we rushed Demko back from injury causing another injury, having Miller play injured right now with it impacting his play, letting Hronek play half a season with some type of upper body injury that impacted his play. This organization now has a history and an old school reputation of just letting injured players play regardless of impact on performance.
It's been reported enough that he has Tendonitis which takes time to heal so they decided to let him play. But if use his performance as a proxy, you will notice that his performance/effectiveness regressed with the amount of games he played. They didn't think it would get worse but the performance spoke otherwise.
Quinning
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If he was playing at a 30% clip earlier this season, I'd say he's up to about 60-70% of his best now. You can clearly notice him on both ends of the ice and pucks are starting to go in.
Not a moment too soon, because with Boeser out he is going to have to step up in a major way.
Not a moment too soon, because with Boeser out he is going to have to step up in a major way.
strattonius
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We aren't debating whether he had an injury..?
We are debating why his play to start the year has been so poor.
Your post was saturated in ego. Telling everyone that his injury from last January is very clearly the reason he is struggling.
To me and lots of other it's not clear at all. Seems more likely it's between the ears whether that's confidence or motivation who knows.
It may be moot anyways because the player I saw the last 2 games was well on his way to good form.
Petersson had a much more effective game but he still looks slow as hell.
It shows up in the neutral zone when he can't beat backcheckers north-south so he angles sideways before dumping. It shows up on the forecheck where he closes gaps at Boeser speed.
Production is up but he does not look back to normal at all - it looks like he's having to evolve to get things done at a slower speed.
It shows up in the neutral zone when he can't beat backcheckers north-south so he angles sideways before dumping. It shows up on the forecheck where he closes gaps at Boeser speed.
Production is up but he does not look back to normal at all - it looks like he's having to evolve to get things done at a slower speed.
