Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - A Forward Who Scores

[racerjoe]

We aren't debating whether he had an injury..?

We are debating why his play to start the year has been so poor.

Your post was saturated in ego. Telling everyone that his injury from last January is very clearly the reason he is struggling.

To me and lots of other it's not clear at all. Seems more likely it's between the ears whether that's confidence or motivation who knows.

It may be moot anyways because the player I saw the last 2 games was well on his way to good form.

His injury from last January… which he has said is still bothering him (he claimed it isn’t effecting his play but did say it still bothers him). He also stated he had to change his training for it.

I am using his past recovery from injury… his current play… his actual words, to come up with my hypothesis… you seem to be just denying anything and everything… so I can see why my opinion seems egotistical.

I am calling out only people who seem to think his previous injury isn’t at the very least part to blame for this…

 

[Bankerguy]

i went over the NHL Edge data on Petey and one thing really stood out... number of speed bursts over 20mph is WAY down... hes at like the 34th or 35th percentile compared to other nhl forwards. 2 years ago he was at the 88th percentile! wow. 84th percentile 3 years ago.
Last year he was at the 77th percentile so it captures time before and afrer when he got injured

He lost his burst speed. simple as that he knows it , hes skating almost the same net distance. This year, distance covered is 77th percentile vs 2 years ago 87th...

so to drop # of 20mph bursts SO much but drop distance travelled by so little.. it means the poor guy is putting out tons of effort but inability to hit that 20mph mark just means all his skating is less effective. less time to wind up, less time to find a pass, harder to beat dmen 1v1 etc.
this is a legit concern

 

[strattonius]

I am calling out only people who seem to think his previous injury isn’t at the very least part to blame for this…

There is nothing substantiated to say this is a fact. That's the whole thing. Is it a physical ailment or a cerebral hindrance? You're having a difficult time grasping that maybe Pettersson's knee injury from last January isn't what's holding him back.

 

[racerjoe]

There is nothing substantiated to say this is a fact. That's the whole thing. Is it a physical ailment or a cerebral hindrance? You're having a difficult time grasping that maybe Pettersson's knee injury from last January isn't what's holding him back.

You couldn’t be more wrong… again if it was even something along the lines of not the main issue… sure. Cause I don’t know how much it is the knee, and how much it is mental…. But even Petey at the beginning of the year said it was bothering him… like that is enough evidence there to say it is an issue. You are having a hard time grasping Petey has said this…

 

[Hodgy]

You couldn’t be more wrong… again if it was even something along the lines of not the main issue… sure. Cause I don’t know how much it is the knee, and how much it is mental…. But even Petey at the beginning of the year said it was bothering him… like that is enough evidence there to say it is an issue. You are having a hard time grasping Petey has said this…

You should quote the whole Pettersson interview as you are leaving out some important details.

 

[racerjoe]

You should quote the whole Pettersson interview as you are leaving out some important details.

For clarity he says it doesn’t effect him, as I said earlier… then says how it does bother him and how he has had to change his training… so you know effecting him…

 

[poler]

You can watch him skate right now it’s definitely slower, not shooting as hard. He’s not 100% or the recovery from tendinitis impacted his offseason training.

Anyone who gives the excuse he played all last season so he must be not bothering him. You should know canucks history with injuries and how they totally mistreated many players. Ruined one career of Cody Hodgson.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I'm fully behind Pettersson so excited to see his game turn around here, it's just odd having someone try to convince you it MUST be an injury and smear it in your face as his game turns around - Because the fact that his game is turning around is somehow proof it was a knee injury? I don't get the correlation.

Sounds like you're more invested in being right, rather than having a rational debate about what was wrong.

Its the handful of posters who insisted he was healthy last year who are still trying to twist reality instead of admit they got it wrong.

It has made discussing Petterssons struggles pretty much impossible.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

You can watch him skate right now it’s definitely slower, not shooting as hard. He’s not 100% or the recovery from tendinitis impacted his offseason training.

Anyone who gives the excuse he played all last season so he must be not bothering him. You should know canucks history with injuries and how they totally mistreated many players. Ruined one career of Cody Hodgson.

 

[HairyKneel]

You can watch him skate right now it’s definitely slower, not shooting as hard. He’s not 100% or the recovery from tendinitis impacted his offseason training.

Anyone who gives the excuse he played all last season so he must be not bothering him. You should know canucks history with injuries and how they totally mistreated many players. Ruined one career of Cody Hodgson.

The Canucks caused Cody's downfall? He had a genetic disorder.

So many internet doctors here and the BC Medical system has a severe shortage of qualified professionals.

 

[JT Milker]

Good thing his tendinitis healed suddenly this week after the Boeser injury, perfect timing.

 

[rypper]

Good thing his tendinitis healed suddenly this week after the Boeser injury, perfect timing.

His game has gradually been improving over the course of the season, nothing sudden about it.

 

[JT Milker]

His game has gradually been improving over the course of the season, nothing sudden about it.

Let’s not pretend he hasn’t been dogshit until about 3 games ago.

 

[Coffee]

Delete

 

[rypper]

Let’s not pretend he hasn’t been dogshit until about 3 games ago.

He hasn't been dog shit. I don't think you've been paying attention and are just conflating last season/playoffs into this one.

 

[strattonius]

He hasn't been dog shit. I don't think you've been paying attention and are just conflating last season/playoffs into this one.

For his standard and skill he's definitely been dogfart. The last two games he's been good. He has been responsible in his own end and making sure he tidies up his own zone - I've seen lots of nice shot blocks. But offensively his creativity has been completely MIA. If you think he hasn't been bad then I truly think you forget how good Pettersson has been in the past.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Seems like need to ignore this thread for the time being.

 

[JT Milker]

He hasn't been dog shit. I don't think you've been paying attention and are just conflating last season/playoffs into this one.

He was under 0.5ppg. Teddy Blueger can score at that rate while being responsible defensively for $2M.

 

[Hodgy]

For clarity he says it doesn’t effect him, as I said earlier… then says how it does bother him and how he has had to change his training… so you know effecting him…

He also talks about how there is no pain and that the knee is fine. You are cherry picking one part of the quote making it sound worse than it was. That’s my point. Now, people can read into the quotes how they like, but we should at least provide the right context for people to do that.

For his standard and skill he's definitely been dogfart. The last two games he's been good. He has been responsible in his own end and making sure he tidies up his own zone - I've seen lots of nice shot blocks. But offensively his creativity has been completely MIA. If you think he hasn't been bad then I truly think you forget how good Pettersson has been in the past.

Yeah, while Pettersson has been like 2-3 times better over the last few games than the start of the season, he’s also still playing to like half of his potential. It’s great that he is holding on the ouck more and making more plays, but he’s still not skating and attacking like he can.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Petersson had a much more effective game but he still looks slow as hell.

It shows up in the neutral zone when he can't beat backcheckers north-south so he angles sideways before dumping. It shows up on the forecheck where he closes gaps at Boeser speed.

Production is up but he does not look back to normal at all - it looks like he's having to evolve to get things done at a slower speed.

Straight line speed is overrated; see Mikheyev, Kapenen, Athanasiou, Sprong, Virtanen etc. vs M. Tkachuck, M. Stone, R. O’Reilly, B. Boeser, T. Toffoli, J. Pavelski etc.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Straight line speed is overrated; see Mikheyev, Kapenen, Athanasiou, Sprong, Virtanen etc. vs M. Tkachuck, M. Stone, R. O’Reilly, B. Boeser, T. Toffoli, J. Pavelski etc.

It's only overrated if the player doesn't have the hands (Mik, Kapanen) or IQ (Athanasiou, Sprong) to keep up with his feet. It is not overrated for players that can make plays at high speed.

Peak Petey is so good at finding the open man and hitting him with a great pass, or unleashing his elite shot himself. However, he needs that split second to pull it off, and without the speed, he can't get himself that little bit of time and space to make the play. That is why he look so frustrated in my opinion, he KNOWS what he should do and he KNOWS he can do it if he has that split second, but his knee is/was holding him back.

I feel confident that once his knee heals, he will back to his old self. However, if its still bothering him after a full off season, I'm worried that this isn't going to go away easily.

 

[racerjoe]

He also talks about how there is no pain and that the knee is fine. You are cherry picking one part of the quote making it sound worse than it was. That’s my point. Now, people can read into the quotes how they like, but we should at least provide the right context for people to do that.


Yeah, while Pettersson has been like 2-3 times better over the last few games than the start of the season, he’s also still playing to like half of his potential. It’s great that he is holding on the ouck more and making more plays, but he’s still not skating and attacking like he can.

Umm he can be pain free and it can still bother him… you are cherry picking the one line and not looking at the entire quote where he talks about having to change his training and it still bothering him.

 

[Hodgy]

Umm he can be pain free and it can still bother him… you are cherry picking the one line and not looking at the entire quote where he talks about having to change his training and it still bothering him.

Yes, I’ve listened to the interview. But you just cherry picked the parts making the injury look bad without also quoting or referencing the parts that make the injury out to be minor.

 

[racerjoe]

Yes, I’ve listened to the interview. But you just cherry picked the parts making the injury look bad without also quoting or referencing the parts that make the injury out to be minor.

It was one of the first things I said… I emphasized the other parts of the interview, that seemed much more relevant.

 

[Regal]

It's only overrated if the player doesn't have the hands (Mik, Kapanen) or IQ (Athanasiou, Sprong) to keep up with his feet. It is not overrated for players that can make plays at high speed.

Peak Petey is so good at finding the open man and hitting him with a great pass, or unleashing his elite shot himself. However, he needs that split second to pull it off, and without the speed, he can't get himself that little bit of time and space to make the play. That is why he look so frustrated in my opinion, he KNOWS what he should do and he KNOWS he can do it if he has that split second, but his knee is/was holding him back.

I feel confident that once his knee heals, he will back to his old self. However, if its still bothering him after a full off season, I'm worried that this isn't going to go away easily.

I feel like it’s probably more that first step or two than pure straight line speed that really hurts, which is also what tends to go with age when we see guys decline and would probably be related to the knee if it’s still a problem. Petey at his best has his moments of using speed, but so much is more shiftiness, and that hasn’t been there for a lot of the slump.