Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - A Forward Who Scores

Hodgy

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In context when he immediately then speaks about how it bothers him, about how he had to train differently yes.

Again it doesn’t need to be pain that bothers him…
That’s a pretty bizarre interpretation. It’s clearly super relevant that he said he had no pain and his knee is fine, and ignoring that when paraphrasing his words is a misrepresentation of the entire quote. I think he even said it wasn’t a big deal, but ya, not relevant, right?
 

sandwichbird2023

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I feel like it’s probably more that first step or two than pure straight line speed that really hurts, which is also what tends to go with age when we see guys decline and would probably be related to the knee if it’s still a problem. Petey at his best has his moments of using speed, but so much is more shiftiness, and that hasn’t been there for a lot of the slump.
I think its both, that first step is a problem as he doesn't have any explosive power. But the straight line speed is also an issue as he cannot pull away from back checkers on the rush. Watching Petey flying down the ice on his first NHL goal, then watch him routinely get caught from behind through the neutral zone now, it is definitely a problem for him.

You made a good point about his shiftiness though, that has also disappeared. It used to allow him to be unpredictable, but now he can't really shake off from a defender.
 
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MarkusNaslund19

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It's so strange to me that some posters have this myopic view where a player is either the GOAT or he 'suxors' cause he's 'dogging it'.

Any and all evidence means nothing in the face of this.

It couldn't be that they are human and play differently when injured or losing confidence. Nope. They make millions so they aren't human and aren't prone to human frailties.

Surely that's the most logical conclusion.
 

JT Milker

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It's so strange to me that some posters have this myopic view where a player is either the GOAT or he 'suxors' cause he's 'dogging it'.

Any and all evidence means nothing in the face of this.

It couldn't be that they are human and play differently when injured or losing confidence. Nope. They make millions so they aren't human and aren't prone to human frailties.

Surely that's the most logical conclusion.
Who said Pettersson is a bad player, not just playing badly?
 

MarkusNaslund19

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Who said Pettersson is a bad player, not just playing badly?
There has been a f*** ton of, 'this guy doesn't care, they need to deal him' on these boards.

And, as usual when it becomes obvious that the kneejerkers were wrong and it was a slump, an injury, etc. There's a whole bunch of "I never said that, I said there were concerns".
 

racerjoe

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That’s a pretty bizarre interpretation. It’s clearly super relevant that he said he had no pain and his knee is fine, and ignoring that when paraphrasing his words is a misrepresentation of the entire quote. I think he even said it wasn’t a big deal, but ya, not relevant, right?

If he is feeling pain or not… he had to change his training…. If that doesn’t mean it is effecting his play, or has… I don’t know what to tell you. That is the most relevant part of the quote…

I also guess we can also take Hronek fully at his word and say he wasn’t injured at the end of last season right?
 

MS

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It's so strange to me that some posters have this myopic view where a player is either the GOAT or he 'suxors' cause he's 'dogging it'.

Any and all evidence means nothing in the face of this.

It couldn't be that they are human and play differently when injured or losing confidence. Nope. They make millions so they aren't human and aren't prone to human frailties.

Surely that's the most logical conclusion.

The most obvious answer (and what the team seems to believe, based on the way they've handled this) has always been that this is a mentally weak/fragile player whose performance craters to an unacceptable extent when dealing with a minor injury niggle or off-ice distraction, or some other form of turbulence in his career. Something minor happens and he gets lost in his own head and shuts down and stops competing. And we've seen the same pattern over and over again at this point.

Nobody (or at least nobody capable of framing a logical argument) saying HE SUX or HE NOT TRYING GOT CONTRACT LAZY BUM.
 

Bankerguy

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I really hope he has pain in his knee and the pain is limiting his explosiveness.... because if he's feeling fine and his statistical decrease in speed bursts is just like his new 'anatomical norm' we are in big trouble with this contract
 

Hodgy

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If he is feeling pain or not… he had to change his training…. If that doesn’t mean it is effecting his play, or has… I don’t know what to tell you. That is the most relevant part of the quote…

I also guess we can also take Hronek fully at his word and say he wasn’t injured at the end of last season right?
Pretty obviously you left out very relevant parts of the quote. I can see you are not willing to admit that so let’s just move on.
 

racerjoe

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Pretty obviously you left out very relevant parts of the quote. I can see you are not willing to admit that so let’s just move on.

It’s rich you think this when I left nothing out, and want to ignore the obvious points of the quote and concentrate on the pain portion… which I admit and have talked about. It’s clear why you want to move on so sure.
 

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