Eichel

[Gary Nylund]

He played with Bozak and Kadri as his center for half of his career.

IIRC Marner started out playing with JVR and Bozak and didn't match up against top lines which is a pretty ideal situation for putting up points. JVR especially - not known for playing defence but the guy can score goals for sure. Not sure if Eichel has ever had 2 linemates that good but if he did, you can be damn sure that he was facing the top lines of opposing teams every night. Over their careers, there is no question that Marner has had much better linemates, it's not really close plus Eichel plays centre and scores more goals. Like I said earlier, saying Marner has more points and therefore Marner is better is absurd and again, I'm pretty sure you know better than that.

 

[Pookie]

Matthews is your new Kadri now or what?

the player with the best return value who isn’t going to be here long term?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Both injured. One gives a crap.

Matthews won a rocket through his injury, and will be healed to start the season. Eichel is and always has been a worse player, and his injury is career-threatening, unresolved, and he'll probably miss the year. Matthews also "gives a crap" a lot more than Eichel, and has a way better attitude.

the player with the best return value who isn’t going to be here long term?

Matthews is signed for another 3 years, and is likely to re-sign afterwards.

Tavares will probably finish his contract here as a winger

He's likely to finish his contract as the center he's been his whole career.

 

[al secord]

Yes, let's trade our rocket Richard winner for a lesser player with great expected playoff stats

 

[Pookie]

Yes, let's trade our rocket Richard winner for a lesser player with great expected playoff stats

Let’s not and keep getting the same results.

 

[Pookie]

Matthews is signed for another 3 years, and is likely to re-sign afterwards.

You want to let him get to be a UFA before he considers re-signing?

Nope.

A prudent move is to take a shot at an extension at the end of 2 seasons and then move him if he doesn’t.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You want to let him get to be a UFA before he considers re-signing?

That's in fact not what I said. I countered your idea of trading him for a worse player with a career-threatening injury 3 years before he hit UFA, and countered your baseless claim that he "isn't going to be here long term".

 

[IPS]

the player with the best return value who isn’t going to be here long term?

Kadri was here long term

 

[BertCorbeau]

The longer Buffalo hangs onto Eichel, the more sense it may make for the Leafs should they continue to sputter and not find playoff success since inevitably the Leafs would need a core shake up. So Eichel could be the key piece in that type of shake up.

I'm still concerned about Eichel's attitude and how that would playing the Toronto market with the microscope on him.

 

[Pookie]

Kadri was here long term

3 years into a 6 year deal.

 

[IPS]

3 years into a 6 year deal.

He started full time with the team in 2013 and was here for 7 years. Your fact distortion doesn't prove jack shit.

 

[Its not your fault]

Obviously yes.

Nylander + 1st while Buffalo retains 25%.

No thanks Nylander is durable

 

[Pookie]

That's in fact not what I said. I countered your idea of trading him for a worse player with a career-threatening injury 3 years before he hit UFA, and countered your baseless claim that he "isn't going to be here long term".

you said you’d attempt to sign at the end of his contract.

when he is UFA.

wouldn’t you agree that it is prudent to sign him before that last year and if unsuccessful, move on lest risk him walking for nothing?

 

[Gary Nylund]

The longer Buffalo hangs onto Eichel, the more sense it may make for the Leafs should they continue to sputter and not find playoff success since inevitably the Leafs would need a core shake up. So Eichel could be the key piece in that type of shake up.

I'm still concerned about Eichel's attitude and how that would playing the Toronto market with the microscope on him.

I'm more concerned about Eichel's health and as long as that's still a concern, no point in even thinking about trading for him IMHO.

 

[Pookie]

He started full time with the team in 2013 and was here for 7 years. Your fact distortion doesn't prove jack shit.

2 seasons from now, Matthews will have been here 7 years.

 

[IPS]

2 seasons from now, Matthews will have been here 7 years.

Yes, and if he plays the final year here that's 8 years.

Players who sign 7/8 year contracts are considered long term. Kadri was with the Leafs long term. Pretty simple to understand.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

This guy gives a crap?

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I compiled a Jack Eichel playoff video for you. Enjoy!!

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I've seen him play. My video memory is better.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

The longer Buffalo hangs onto Eichel, the more sense it may make for the Leafs should they continue to sputter and not find playoff success since inevitably the Leafs would need a core shake up. So Eichel could be the key piece in that type of shake up.

I'm still concerned about Eichel's attitude and how that would playing the Toronto market with the microscope on him.

All of this is true but life is risk. And this may be the opportunity of a lifetime. I should also rephrase something I said earlier: I don't like Marner, I *love* Marner. This is entirely about looking at a shakeup opportunity that likely won't be available again during this core's tenure.

 

[Pookie]

Yes, and if he plays the final year here that's 8 years.

Players who sign 7/8 year contracts are considered long term. Kadri was with the Leafs long term. Pretty simple to understand.

We had this debate when Kadri signed his 6 year extension.

I felt that the odds were good he would be moved midway through as depth at C would be better and between he and Bozak, he held more market value.

you, Gary and the crew didn’t like that.

but he went.

Matthews as C offers the best return and the least likely to stay. JT isn’t going anywhere.

 

[Pookie]

Fyi @Dekes For Days ... Matthews has a full NMC in the last year of that deal.

decision time is coming sooner than you think.

 

[IPS]

We had this debate when Kadri signed his 6 year extension.

I felt that the odds were good he would be moved midway through as depth at C would be better and between he and Bozak, he held more market value.

you, Gary and the crew didn’t like that.

but he went.

Matthews as C offers the best return and the least likely to stay. JT isn’t going anywhere.

Nice dodge. If you're going to argue that 7 years isn't long-term, go ahead. Not going to bother addressing this entire post worth of irrelevant jabber.

 

[Pookie]

Nice dodge. If you're going to argue that 7 years isn't long-term, go ahead. Not going to bother addressing this entire post worth of irrelevant jabber.

you really want to keep doing this?

Matthews’ career is likely to span what, 20 years?

13-14 of those years are likely not going to be spent with us.

but you think he’s a long term leaf?

got it.

 

[IPS]

but you think he’s a long term leaf?

Sure do. The entire hockey world considers 7 and 8 year contracts to be long term contracts.. as in the player is going to be with the team - you guessed it, long term!

Seriously be my guest if you want to argue any of this.

 

[Dekes For Days]

you said you’d attempt to sign at the end of his contract. when he is UFA.

No, I didn't. Stop twisting what I said. I said "Matthews is signed for another 3 years, and is likely to re-sign afterwards", because you were suggesting trading him for a worse player with a career threatening injury when he has 3 years left on his deal, and you were making baseless claims about him "not being here long term".

 

[Pookie]

Fun times.