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Helle is our generational star - but he can't do it alone.
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Helle is our generational star - but he can't do it alone.
Gil Fisher
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they're entering draft generational Canadian superstar phase of the franchise; to be followed quickly by draft generational euro sidekick.
Is that selling high? Someone said according to stats Schneider isn't doing much better than a 3rd pairing D right now. Trade him to Buffalo for Power.
I agree, it's a lot like flying to me. I just sit back and enjoy the ride because I have no control whatsoever.
Power has not being playing well since joining the league, actually.
Dahlin is the defenseman to go after on that team but not at his salary.
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And if you go by what the majority of ppl say he is lucky to have that. instead of the AHL.Stanley's getting the prime... *checks notes* 3rd pair minutes.
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Also, Pionk has played well but do we value having Salomonsson being able to get a shot on the 2 or 3 RD next year?
Over paying for Pionk would be risky. But you'd hate to lose him for nothing.
Chevy is in a dilemma with him and Ehlers.
You could sign them and always trade them at some point.
How is our prospect replacement for Ehlers? I'd say bad.
How is it for Pionk? I'd say decent as Elias Salomonsson could be ready next year. Heinola is better than most at switching sides, he's clearly more skilled than some others.
That said. Pionk and Ehlers are valuable to the team right now for a deep run. We need to add a depth defenseman and a C. Maybe a greasy hard-nose playoff winger.
I expect Chevy might have a plan to sign these guys, get some depth at the deadline.
Over paying for Pionk would be risky. But you'd hate to lose him for nothing.
Chevy is in a dilemma with him and Ehlers.
You could sign them and always trade them at some point.
How is our prospect replacement for Ehlers? I'd say bad.
How is it for Pionk? I'd say decent as Elias Salomonsson could be ready next year. Heinola is better than most at switching sides, he's clearly more skilled than some others.
That said. Pionk and Ehlers are valuable to the team right now for a deep run. We need to add a depth defenseman and a C. Maybe a greasy hard-nose playoff winger.
I expect Chevy might have a plan to sign these guys, get some depth at the deadline.
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Chevy stated just a couple of days ago that he had talked to the agents of all of the pending RFA & UFA players but had not yet discussed contracts with any of them. He was pretty clear.
Has he ever signed a core player this late into his UFA season?
I think that improved usage and all around team success both improve the chances of signing Nik. But he gets closer to UFA every day. If he wanted to sign Nik Chevy would be talking contract. I very much doubt he will be traded either, not with the Jets near the top of the league and Nik making a pretty big contribution to that.
The possibility of signing remains until he is actually signed somewhere else but it gets less likely every passing day.
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Yep Chevy signed Buff in February of his UFA year. Soon after they traded Ladd for futures. Also I’d only buy so much that Chevy sells to the public beforehand. An Ehlers signing will be announced out of the blue.
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That's not pedantic. It is a very significant point with you being so dismissive of the way people are using advanced stats.
The people you keep complaining about watch the stats and watch the games. Some of them are pretty astute observers. They look for agreement between stats and eye-test. When they don't find it they look for reasons for the discrepancy. Sometimes it is in the weaknesses in the stats, the way they are gathered, the ways they are modeled, etc. Sometimes it is in the bias in the eye-test. Sometimes it is simply in the difficulty of seeing everything that happens in a hockey game. They don't usually just assume the eye-test is right and the stats are wrong. Or the other way around either.
It's weird he hasn't talked turkey yet.
I think Pionk is a done deal - they're definitely bringing him back. He's wearing the A while Lowry is hurt, he likes it here, he's popular, the org loves him...he's not going to UFA.
Ehlers is probably also a done deal - but the deal is that they're not bringing him back. He's never been mentioned as part of the core - only as an afterthought. They know he's popular and highly skilled, but they don't like him for all the reasons his critics list. Even though he's a massive net positive, they're just not comfortable with his style.
If I had to give percentages, I'd say it's 90% that Pionk re-signs before July 1 and maybe 15% that Ehlers does.
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Good point - but OTOH, why haven't they talked contract?
I've seen that look before.But what does Chevy mean by talking contract? He could be having lots of general conversations around parameters that he doesn’t consider contract details.
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wouldn't read much into that at all, dillon was wearing an A when we had injuries before as welll
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As a UFA Nik gets offered more than 8 mil but it can't be for 8 years. If it was up to me I wouldn't be offering more than 6 years, either from Jets or as a FA. But with the rising cap it would be for 9.5-10. Connor will be at least 10, probably more. I'm thinking 11.
Buffdog
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No, were being pedantic. You know what it meant
There are for sure some people who look at stats and watch the game. I've had good interactions with those posters, even when we disagree
But there are definitely some that have never held a hockey stick and have no idea what they're watching but pretend to understand the game through tables and spreadsheets. Ironically, these are the ones who are the most arrogant
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I have suspected an own rental since the off-season. It is only an opinion.
I think that improved usage and a contending team may have changed the dynamic there, at least to some extent. But the continued lack of a contract offer at this very late stage supports the own rental scenario. I really can't see a trade with the Jets contending and Nik being a big part of that.
That said, I hate the own rental plan. It just continues to look likely to me. Hope I'm wrong, it is the least desirable possibility.
Didn't get an Ehlers jersey in the past because I figured that, with my luck, he would be traded soon after.
Now I'm thinking maybe I should buy one so that he does get traded. 
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Well it can be for 8 years as he would be re-signing and I don't see why Chevy wouldn't, term might be important to getting him to sign.
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No, apparently I did not know what you meant. I took it as written. Sorry if I misunderstood.
I can't agree with your last paragraph either. I agree that there is a range of skill among observers here. I certainly don't include myself among the best. But I understand what I am watching. And the tables and spreadsheets have helped me be a better observer. But I still understand my eye-test better than I understand many of the spreadsheets. I grasp some of them but I don't have the background in math to be able to get deeply into the subject. There are a few that I suspect are just not very good, not reliably predictive. But that is my opinion and I am not equipped to defend it so I just ignore those.
I don't think there is a substantial number of posters here who would fit those in that last paragraph of yours. There might be a few. There might be none. And I don't accept that you need to have played the game in order to watch it intelligently.
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I’m a fan of Ehlers despite his wild ass blind passes in bad areas. I’ll take the good with the lesser bad. I also have had his jersey for years. But if he leaves via trade or as a UFA we don’t really lose other than a guy who’s been a good teammate and fan of Winnipeg. That’s something of course, but if he leaves, his salary (whatever it will be next year) stays here and we re-purpose it towards someone else.
