Hopefully the team getting closer to its goal this year and his increasing role in that is enough. But yeah, I can't say for sure how he feels about these things that's for sure.
Player Discussion: Ehlers
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5v5 stats are still good relative to this year's team, but a bit down compared to his personal recent seasons. PP production is way higher. and this is all while at the lowest ATOI in a season of his career.
Kessell was getting 17-19m a night. iirc, the list of player who hit 60+ pts in less than 16m/night is v slim.
here is the list of players who hit 60+ pts in under 16m/gp since '05
I think we can still offer the most money without upsetting the current highest paid Jets if that is perceived as a problem. We are the only team that can offer 8 years and if you have to, throw in some of that deferred money that’s going around. 8.5 over 8 years and another mil per year deferred. I admittedly don’t know exactly how that works. 76 mil total and a role that’s really suiting him now? Pretty hard to beat.
It’s more than I would offer if I was Chevy tbh.
It’s more than I would offer if I was Chevy tbh.
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I wonder if those of us who have suspected that Ehlers wants a change of scene after so many years of being underutilized/underappreciated are mistaken. Could it be that Chevy wants to see him in one more PO before deciding what to offer him? That would be a risky path for a GM to take but not unreasonable given Nik's PO history. That could explain the lack of movement toward extending him.
I think it's a reasonable hypothesis. I think it's possible that Chevy and Arniel don't value Ehlers highly as a core player and Chevy might be looking at using Ehlers as a trade asset to add players that he and Arniel value more.
I've looked through teams in the East, and I'm having a tough time finding the fit for Ehlers. It has to be a team with the cap space, in a win now mode (or at least close to win now), and in need of a 1st line winger. You mentioned TB, but they just signed Guentzel to $9 M AAV, and have Kuch at $9.5 M AAV, to go along with Piont at $9.5 M AAV, with $8 M going to Headman. They also don't have much money coming off the books next season. I think Carolina will sign Rantanen and wouldn't have made the deal otherwise. Some of the bottom dwellers have the need and cap space, but not sure if that is attractive to Nik at this point in his career.
Hey I want him here as much as anyone. Just saying, the guy will have options. And the jucier the location is the more reasonable the cap hit will be. I haven't looked into it in detail though like you have so I dunno.
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Actually, IIRC, it tailed off a fair bit for a while and then rebounded. That makes me suspect it is at least fairly sustainable. Maybe not its current 30+% but maybe 25+%. Or whatever the correct numbers are.
Pens? They can probably afford Ehlers and Marner next season. They really need a couple of top line wingers.
I get that, but as we speculate on what might happen, digging into the details starts shedding some light. I just don't see the self rental route with a player of Ehlers value. So it is either a re-signing or a trade IMO.
Interesting. I wasn't expecting the Pens. It seems like they are on the crash and burn phase of the franchise.
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The Pens need to rebuild and probably will once their aging core are gone, no way Ehlers or Marner are signing there, they want to win not get stuck on a team going no where for the foreseeable future.
I honestly believe Ehlers re-signs with us.
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I think the trade route would have been more likely last off-season. He might still be available for an unlikely perfect fit deal. But I can't see him monkeying with our current PP unless it was something really good for the win now window.
At this point I think it is down to extension or the more likely own rental.
Edit: The extension becomes more likely if he has a strong PO.
I know you're not talking to me here, but what's the argument about CSV in the playoffs last year? That they were the only line that scored at all, or that outscored their opposition?
They didn't do much scoring after the first game at 5v5, but they did outscore the Avs 3-1 in Game 1 and were instrumental in the win (the rest of the Jets went 3-2 at 5v5).
Games 2-5 though? CSV put up 2 5v5 goals in 4 games. They only had 2 against, so that's better than the rest of the team that put up 3 goals and allowed 6, but Appleton-Lowry-Niederreiter went 0-4. Ehlers-Monaha-Toffoli went 2-0. They swapped Connor and Ehlers for a bit and that was a disaster (0-3 for ESV), but the shit was hitting the fan at that point and Bones was just trying to pull out of the ongoing tailspin.
Anyway, these small samples don't tell us anything.
Also, why are you always demanding apologies?
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Chevy did say he has talked to Ehlers camp, along with those of every other pending UFA and RFA, but nothing about contract specifics. FWIW
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That poster said that CSV will get killed by other teams top lines in the playoffs and "have in the past"I know you're not talking to me here, but what's the argument about CSV in the playoffs last year? That they were the only line that scored at all, or that outscored their opposition?
They didn't do much scoring after the first game at 5v5, but they did outscore the Avs 3-1 in Game 1 and were instrumental in the win (the rest of the Jets went 3-2 at 5v5).
Games 2-5 though? CSV put up 2 5v5 goals in 4 games. They only had 2 against, so that's better than the rest of the team that put up 3 goals and allowed 6, but Appleton-Lowry-Niederreiter went 0-4. Ehlers-Monaha-Toffoli went 2-0. They swapped Connor and Ehlers for a bit and that was a disaster (0-3 for ESV), but the shit was hitting the fan at that point and Bones was just trying to pull out of the ongoing tailspin.
Anyway, these small samples don't tell us anything.
Also, why are you always demanding apologies?
I pointed out that last year was the only time they've been together in the playoffs and they actually outscored their opposition 5-3 at 5v5
Same poster went on to low-key accuse me of making bad predictions and statements that are factually wrong - when they're the only one who had made a factually wrong statement. I think that deserves an apology
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Talking about Scheif and Connor this year is very different than talking about their norms. I hope it becomes their norms but that remains to be seen. They are different players than they used to be.
If we stick to their career long patterns of play, Ehlers has always been better defensively than Connor. I'm not sure of your point about late game simplification. Sure Connor makes some smart plays. So does Ehlers.
If we are talking this year, Connor is a whole new man. The change is so great it is hard to believe. It is like that little light bulb in his head suddenly turned on. He has become a complete player. IMO, he is our best skater, if he keeps it up. Ahead of Scheif, even ahead of Morrissey.
But back to Ehlers, I think his best play and his worst both come with the puck, in the O zone. Twice around the net and sometimes he finds the support to pass to or finds a good shooting lane. But very often he loses possession of the puck or takes a low % shot and loses possession. The worst, IMO, is the shot into a defenders shin pads from high in the O zone that leads to a breakaway, or odd-man rush against. I hate that. I accept a certain amount of those kinds of plays as the price of admission. They come with his good game. But I think he could substantially reduce the frequency of those plays.
As for the contract, you can't just say the most valuable player on the team gets the most money. There are many factors that go into it. Current contract status is a big one of them. A player who has completed his contract obligation and is just waiting for July 1 has a much stronger bargaining position than one who extends with a full year remaining. A player who signs a year later, or nearly 2 years later is dealing with a larger cap and therefore gets more money for the same contribution, or even a somewhat smaller contribution if the cap has gone up enough. Scheif and Helle were the highest paid Jets when their new contracts kicked in, not only on the roster at that time but ever in
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All great points.
I think Ehlers sometimes makes high risk plays instead of the safe plays at the end of games. There is a lot to be frustrated about Connor and we could make a gigantic list. Like he avoids contact sometimes at the cost of making a good play. We have never seen him have to carry lesser players the way Ehlers has, he has a stupid moustache.
You make great points about contracts and all I can really do is agree with you. I do everything they can do to keep Ehlers. I think he might not want to be here, because, he is great and I think he is a top line player on many teams so why accept less minutes.
I also agree, that players pay shouldn't be kept down just because Helly signed an insane contract.
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If Chevy wants to keep Ehlers, he probably can. Offer him 8x8.2M now and that's probably more than he'll get as a UFA. But that's quite a bit more than Scheifele and Hellebuyck got in total contract value (they signed for 7 years). I have my doubts that Chevy would go there for Ehlers.
I still think a trade is a reasonable possibility. The Jets would certainly be selling high, in terms of his current performance. But it's a real risk, especially since Ehlers has become an important cog on the Jets' lethal PP and the only consistent source of secondary scoring.
I still think a trade is a reasonable possibility. The Jets would certainly be selling high, in terms of his current performance. But it's a real risk, especially since Ehlers has become an important cog on the Jets' lethal PP and the only consistent source of secondary scoring.
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I will give you a apology....
Just kidding by the way.
No, I think you nailed it lol
I'd take that
I really don't think Ehlers has cost the Jets a lead much this season, and I'm not sure making a risky play when up 1 is worse than doing it in the second period when the Jets are tied or down 1.
Ehlers helps the Jets win way more often than the opposite. That's the bottom line.
One thing about Ehlers is for the most part he is very entertaining to watch, you need players like that to help sell tickets.
Trade Ehlers. Jets can't afford the $100 million cap with 65 cent dollars. Ehlers deserves $11 million.
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Congrats Niko!
But there they go with that franchise BS again. Meaningful only to accountants. Kovalchuk was really good but he never played for the Jets. Jets leading scorer was a guy named Dale something or other. 919 in a Jets uni, if my cipherin' is correct.
With the Coyotes in a permanent coma it is past time that Jets 1.0 history was transferred back to Jets. Thrashers history can be passed on to the next Atlanta team, if they want it.
We agree on the second point.
First point, you don't see the difference of cheating for a goal and making high risk high reward plays when you are down vs when you are up?
