Player Discussion: Ehlers

[DRW204]

I'm not disagreeing with your numbers. I don't think you have enough data points to hang your hat on that trend. I'm looking at last year as an outlier data point until I see another point or 2 to confirm the trend.

I didn't include PO. But I am also looking at a couple of shortened seasons as possibly skewing perceptions of people (not necessarily you) looking only at games played.

I will join you if he misses a substantial number of games again this year. I hope he plays a full season, gets top line minutes and PP1 and has a career year.

Not hanging my hat on anything. If you have something as of recent to show how his recent trend injuries are nbd, then post it.

All you've done is said if you look at 17-18 it's different. Well duh. If he was healthy every year like 17-18 no one would be talking about the missed time. That was also 6 seasons ago, less 300 nhl gp and major injuries.. Do you think that's more representative?

 

[stranger]

Is that the same writer who had Morrissey as one of the worst contracts in the league like a year ago…..??

Morrissey's next contract will make him one of the worst contracts in the league. I don't mind him as a player, but he will be getting WAY too much money for poor D and a little O. Last season will be his career high in points.

 

[Atoyot]

Morrissey's next contract will make him one of the worst contracts in the league. I don't mind him as a player, but he will be getting WAY too much money for poor D and a little O. Last season will be his career high in points.

 

[DRW204]

Morrissey's next contract will make him one of the worst contracts in the league. I don't mind him as a player, but he will be getting WAY too much money for poor D and a little O. Last season will be his career high in points.

2020 called they want their take back?
He was among the top scorers of dmen. He didn't rate well defensively but little offense? c'mon now.

 

[bumblebeeman]

2020 called they want their take back?
He was among the top scorers of dmen. He didn't rate well defensively but little offense? c'mon now.

Also his next contract won't be for 5 years, who knows what will happen by then. Why bother complaining about it now haha

 

[DRW204]

Also his next contract won't be for 5 years, who knows what will happen by then. Why bother complaining about it now haha

Totally missed that it said next contract lol

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Not hanging my hat on anything. If you have something as of recent to show how his recent trend injuries are nbd, then post it.

All you've done is said if you look at 17-18 it's different. Well duh. If he was healthy every year like 17-18 no one would be talking about the missed time. That was also 6 seasons ago, less 300 nhl gp and major injuries.. Do you think that's more representative?

No. That is not what I said.
Short version - Prior to last year he was above avg.
One bad year should not define him.
That is all.

 

[DRW204]

No. That is not what I said.
Short version - Prior to last year he was above avg.
One bad year should not define him.
That is all.

hence why i brought it's up more than just one year? and he's been showcasing a trend that has him missing more games than an average top fwd the last 3 seasons straight? also missing nearly an entire PO series on top of that where we could have used him.

no one said this is defining him... he could very well play an entire season next year, but the trend has been unfavorable as of late. he's not an early 20s player anymore with barely any nhl gp or injuries on his body. not sure what else there is more to say b/c when posters message with you it's just repeating themselves over and over so this is the last i will say.

 

[10Ducky10]

Ehlers over the last 5 years...
62/82
71/71
47/56
62/82
45/82

287/373 = 76.9%
This is an average of 19 games missed per 82 game schedule.
He's got to stay healthier than that.

 

[hn777]

Ehlers over the last 5 years...
62/82
71/71
47/56
62/82
45/82

287/373 = 76.9%
This is an average of 19 games missed per 82 game schedule.
He's got to stay healthier than that.

Fixed it for you, but it doesn't make it better

Edit: Huge Ehlers fan, but yes he is injury prone. Also, doesn't help he plays like 6'5/230.

 

[buggs]

Ehlers over the last 5 years...
62/82
71/71
47/56
62/82
45/82

287/373 = 79.9%
This is an average of 19 games missed per 82 game schedule.
He's got to stay healthier than that.

Did you adjust the shortened seasons to 82 game equivalent?
Also in the 56 game season were those injuries or Covid protocol?

 

[10Ducky10]

Fixed it for you, but it doesn't make it better

Edit: Huge Ehlers fan, but yes he is injury prone. Also, doesn't help he plays like 6.5/230.

Oops, typo. Thanks.
19 games per 82 doesn't change.

Did you adjust the shortened seasons to 82 game equivalent?
Also in the 56 game season were those injuries or Covid protocol?

I added the games he played and divided by the games he could have played and multiplied that by 82 and came up with 63.09 games or 19 games missed per 82 games.

 

[DRW204]

Did you adjust the shortened seasons to 82 game equivalent?
Also in the 56 game season were those injuries or Covid protocol?

56 games season was not covid just marked as upper-body injury

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

hence why i brought it's up more than just one year? and he's been showcasing a trend that has him missing more games than an average top fwd the last 3 seasons straight? also missing nearly an entire PO series on top of that where we could have used him.

no one said this is defining him... he could very well play an entire season next year, but the trend has been unfavorable as of late. he's not an early 20s player anymore with barely any nhl gp or injuries on his body. not sure what else there is more to say b/c when posters message with you it's just repeating themselves over and over so this is the last i will say.

If it turns out to be a continuing trend I will share your concern. And that's the last I will say.

 

[Mud Turtle]

Fixed it for you, but it doesn't make it better

Edit: Huge Ehlers fan, but yes he is injury prone. Also, doesn't help he plays like 6'5/230.

This is exactly it. Many dynamic offensive players stop doing the little things that had them destined for greatness in their first couple years.
They start protecting themselves more.
Ehlers doesn’t do that. He’s full out and sometimes that lands him in dangerous positions.
It’s also what makes him so good.

We can look at Scheifele as a perfect example of a guy who stopped taking chances and started playing safer.

 

[mondo3]

“The Dal Colle one is my fault,” Snow said in a recent interview with the New York Post. “My scouts at the time, they wanted Nikolaj Ehlers.” The Winnipeg Jets selected Ehlers ninth overall, scoring 176 goals and 220 assists in 523 games compared to just eight career goals for Dal Colle in 112 NHL games. Of course, William Nylander went eighth to Toronto, and Dylan Larkin wasn't selected until 15th by the Red Wings, a significant missed opportunity by Snow and the scouting department.

 

[Jetabre]

“The Dal Colle one is my fault,” Snow said in a recent interview with the New York Post. “My scouts at the time, they wanted Nikolaj Ehlers.” The Winnipeg Jets selected Ehlers ninth overall, scoring 176 goals and 220 assists in 523 games compared to just eight career goals for Dal Colle in 112 NHL games. Of course, William Nylander went eighth to Toronto, and Dylan Larkin wasn't selected until 15th by the Red Wings, a significant missed opportunity by Snow and the scouting department.

Thank you Snow. And whoever made the picks for Vancouver and Carolina for the 2014 draft, thank you as well.

 

[Jet]

Ehlers over the last 5 years...
62/82
71/71
47/56
62/82
45/82

287/373 = 76.9%
This is an average of 19 games missed per 82 game schedule.
He's got to stay healthier than that.

I just don't think he will.

He plays a game with a certain abandon that subjects him to punishment and injury. It's part of what makes him so dynamic.

Imo the only thing that will keep him healthier is playing a safe game and I just don't believe he'll be an effective player like that.

We've seen him play a safe game especially coming back from injury and he doesn't produce.

 

[DRW204]

“The Dal Colle one is my fault,” Snow said in a recent interview with the New York Post. “My scouts at the time, they wanted Nikolaj Ehlers.” The Winnipeg Jets selected Ehlers ninth overall, scoring 176 goals and 220 assists in 523 games compared to just eight career goals for Dal Colle in 112 NHL games. Of course, William Nylander went eighth to Toronto, and Dylan Larkin wasn't selected until 15th by the Red Wings, a significant missed opportunity by Snow and the scouting department.

always like looking back on these things.

Dal Colle across 13 different draft rankings/publications (Bob Mckenzie, Pronman, THN, Dobber etc.) had a high of 3rd overall to low of 8th, with an average of 5.5. seems like he went where most had him.

seems like everyone was wrong on Dal Colle/development-bust.

not sure, never followed him or NYI.

 

[Heldig]

always like looking back on these things.

Dal Colle across 13 different draft rankings/publications (Bob Mckenzie, Pronman, THN, Dobber etc.) had a high of 3rd overall to low of 8th, with an average of 5.5. seems like he went where most had him.

seems like everyone was wrong on Dal Colle/development-bust.

not sure, never followed him or NYI.

It happens often.

Look at Dylan Strome in 2015.

 

[AstrophysicalJet]

Ehlers seems to have reached his potential ceiling with us. I believe that a breath of fresh air would benefit both him and our team. Perhaps with another team, he may have the opportunity to stay healthy or even reach the potential ceiling we once thought he possessed.

 

[WolfHouse]

“The Dal Colle one is my fault,” Snow said in a recent interview with the New York Post. “My scouts at the time, they wanted Nikolaj Ehlers.” The Winnipeg Jets selected Ehlers ninth overall, scoring 176 goals and 220 assists in 523 games compared to just eight career goals for Dal Colle in 112 NHL games. Of course, William Nylander went eighth to Toronto, and Dylan Larkin wasn't selected until 15th by the Red Wings, a significant missed opportunity by Snow and the scouting department.

Larkin would have been huge for the Jets

 

[Mathil8]

Ehlers seems to have reached his potential ceiling with us. I believe that a breath of fresh air would benefit both him and our team. Perhaps with another team, he may have the opportunity to stay healthy or even reach the potential ceiling we once thought he possessed.

I don't know how he's reached his potential ceiling with us. I feel like this will be a big year for him as with Wheeler gone he's likely to get regular 1st unit PP time for the first time, plus should see a bump in his 5v5 ice time. Hopefully he stays healthy and has a big year!

 

[surixon]

I don't know how he's reached his potential ceiling with us. I feel like this will be a big year for him as with Wheeler gone he's likely to get regular 1st unit PP time for the first time, plus should see a bump in his 5v5 ice time. Hopefully he stays healthy and has a big year!

I'm curious to see whether he or Perfetti gets that first unit pp time.

He should get more 5 on 5 time but we've been saying that for years and every coach tends to elevate players over him. My guess is Vilardi and his strong d game quickly get into Bones good books. Cole was also starting to get played more then Fly prior to his injury last year.

I just don't think coaches like his style despite him achieving excellent results.

 

[AstrophysicalJet]

I don't know how he's reached his potential ceiling with us. I feel like this will be a big year for him as with Wheeler gone he's likely to get regular 1st unit PP time for the first time, plus should see a bump in his 5v5 ice time. Hopefully he stays healthy and has a big year!

I hope I am wrong, but I feel like we say this every year.

Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt tho.