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Was going to allude to that as well, he has become a bit of a part time player lately as his injuries begin to pile up!
Player Discussion: Ehlers
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By this measure, Pionk's contract should be considered even worse because he rarely misses games... 
Buffdog
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No, you stated that he's more valuable than a player that produces more points than him
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Ehler's durability is my main concern. Not just missing games. Even in-game you see him wincing in pain more often than you would accept. I realize everyone has a different pain threshold. I guess I need an argument made to me on how that type of player can prosper in a long playoff run. Even big fans of Ehlers must at least acknowledge his injury proneness is at least a concern.
This is a very fair way to put it
More minutes and more top PP is not going to affect his durability. But his durability does limit the ceiling of what he is likely able to contribute to a Cup run as a go to player
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I'm more concerned about Perfetti's injury resistance.
But what if Ehlers minutes are optimized, which is why he produces so well? I wonder if he has had stretches where he played more minutes and those results can be compared. I have no idea how to find that info
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Nope. It might become a concern if he has another season like the last one. But so far his injury record looks bad only because of last season. Prior to that it was normal. So I will wait to see what happens the next season or two.
And Lucius'.
Fair point. What we know is that he is the best producer per TOI. We don't know what effect an increase in TOI would have.
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My first response is that I have no idea/ it doesn't seem like they ever extended his minutes in enough games to test that theory. If there is someone who can show that where a coach ran Ehlers 7+ games in a row with extended minutes and then reduced them, I'd listen to that argument.
I've seen coaches run players like Wheeler for extended shifts to the point it's a detriment so the possibility is there. I haven't seen any proof to believe it.
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I stated a player that produces more points per 60 has more value than one that has less.
I apologise if for not stating it more clearly.
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So you're saying this list is an accurate ranking of the 20 most valuable players in the NHL last year?
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Winnipeg Jets' best contracts: 5 deals providing the most value
These players offer Winnipeg the most relative value to the salary cap figure on their contract.
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Here is an article by the Athletic speaking about Winnipeg Jets best value contracts. Read it or don't and continue to be angry. There have been other articles over the years about Ehlers and his production rate that you can research on your own or not.Winnipeg Jets' best contracts: 5 deals providing the most value
These players offer Winnipeg the most relative value to the salary cap figure on their contract.
Is that the same writer who had Morrissey as one of the worst contracts in the league like a year ago…..??
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I think Hohl has written numerous articles/shown multiple stats that show Ehlers production value over the years in comparison to other players.
I put up that article as a recent example.
You and the other minions can keep shitting on Ehlers and I'll keep cheering for the Jets to win.
Hah I’m a big Ehlers fan. I hope he can stay healthy this year. He’s due for a big one.
Aggie204
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I believe this will be a career year for the Dane. I hope is is moved to PP1 and stays healthy.
AlaskaJet
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If Ehlers is already thinking ahead to a post-retirement career, he should inquire at Manitoba’s School of Medical Rehab to see if he can get advance credits for a PT degree specializing in Sports PT.
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Not everyone who disagrees with you is angry lolHere is an article by the Athletic speaking about Winnipeg Jets best value contracts. Read it or don't and continue to be angry. There have been other articles over the years about Ehlers and his production rate that you can research on your own or not.Winnipeg Jets' best contracts: 5 deals providing the most value
These players offer Winnipeg the most relative value to the salary cap figure on their contract.
My point was only that P/60 isn't the end all/be all of value
he's been hurt 3 straight seasons, and 4 of the past 5. the average top-6 Fwd plays 70 games, or 85% of a season. he's been below that benchmark in those same 4 years (so injuries are worse than average). while missing most of the POs last year, and hampered by injury in 18-19 POs where he was limited in TOI and effectiveness. sure, ya, no concern
.from what i recall - and this is based off a tweet from Garret Hohl a while ago (will see if i can find the exact date). his stats, and the line's stats are are superior when he's played higher up in the line-up (which i assume means more TOI).
edit this was it from couple years ago take it fwiw
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he's been hurt 3 straight seasons, and 4 of the past 5. the average top-6 Fwd plays 70 games, or 85% of a season. he's been below that benchmark in those same 4 years (so injuries are worse than average). while missing most of the POs last year, and hampered by injury in 18-19 POs where he was limited in TOI and effectiveness. sure, ya, no concern
It is not "no concern". Last year was bad. The year before was not as bad but still bad. If that keeps up, I will get very concerned. But it is too small a sample for me to panic just yet.
Leave last year out of it and go back 5 years. He played 87% of the team's games. Just a hair better than avg. So it is still just last year that is skewing the perception.
yes, lets exclude his most recent year, or ignore the last 3-year trend, but include a season from 6 years ago, when he barely had any nhl gp cumulated on his body, way less major injuries/surgeries (if any) a basis of why he will be healthy going forward.
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OK, just go back 4 years from last year. Not that much difference.
You are still allowing the one most recent year to influence your opinion. And I am not saying it is wrong. I just want more than one really bad year to base my conclusion on. He has had surgery. He is supposed to be healthy now. Lets see what happens going forward.
no im not? literally posted a 3 year trend where he's been hurt every year beyond the what is normal for a top fwd. also included POs too where we could've used him.
you think 17-18, which was like 300 games ago and various injuries accumulated since then is a basis of why he will be healthy going forward. given that, i think it's stupid to use 17-18 as a some sort of basis, and ignore the actual trend. anyway i hope he plays a full season.
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I'm not disagreeing with your numbers. I don't think you have enough data points to hang your hat on that trend. I'm looking at last year as an outlier data point until I see another point or 2 to confirm the trend.
I didn't include PO. But I am also looking at a couple of shortened seasons as possibly skewing perceptions of people (not necessarily you) looking only at games played.
I will join you if he misses a substantial number of games again this year. I hope he plays a full season, gets top line minutes and PP1 and has a career year.
