Value of: Edmonton & Boston - not realistic but curious

[ChaoticOrange]

You realize Hyman's career average was 50 point winger outside of last year. Same with RNH. Outlier season aren't the baseline they are the exception to the rule. One plays on the top line with more minutes with the best center in the world and the other is centre by Zacha. Can you spot the differences?

You realize that Jake Debrusk had a full half season of work where he put up *five* goals, right? He has as many sub-20 goal seasons as he does 20+ goal seasons and he's not exactly shooting the lights out this year either. Who's to say he wouldn't bottom out again here? Why would Edmonton want that risk for a guy that they might not even keep?

 

[VainGretzky]

Again.. That isn't true. Ekholm is a 200 foot player like DeBrusk. Not really a specialist. His possession quality and point shares is pretty even between his offensive and defensive expected goals for vs against. He starts 51.4% of his shifts in the Ozone... so clearly not a defensive specialist or being deployed as one. His Fenwich and Corsi about the same as DeBrusk.

He is certainly no defensive stalwart. None of his metrics would suggest this. But he's a good overall player.

Oiler fans must read too much Sportsnet that has the analysis level of 3rd grade hockey. It's clear you are new to the sport and dont' really understand it. Ekholm isn't 10x better than DeBrusk in terms of his defensive impact as a D vs DeBrusk as a W. Both are good, not great, defenders for their respective positions. Both are good, not great, 200 foot players.

Ekholm is a bit sloppy with the puck. Too many giveways.

If you think any GM would trade Ekholm for Debrusk lol keep living in your fantasy world

 

[wintersej]

You realize that Jake Debrusk had a full half season of work where he put up *five* goals, right? He has as many sub-20 goal seasons as he does 20+ goal seasons and he's not exactly shooting the lights out this year either. Who's to say he wouldn't bottom out again here? Why would Edmonton want that risk for a guy that they might not even keep?

Giant eye roll on picking on DeBrusk's COVID season.

 

[McSuper]

Bold statement. Hyman was a career high 21 goal scorer in Toronto, before coming to ride shotgun with McDavid. His career highs in goals are 27 (at age 29) and 36 (at age 30). DeBrusk is 4 years younger, NOT skating with McDavid (nor Pastrnak for that matter), has career highs in goals of 27 (at age 22), 25 (age 25) and 27 (age 26). It’s fair to assume DeBrusk skating on McDavids wing and those goal totals increase.

I’m not suggesting DeBrusk is the better of the two, but it’s debatable. Your “Hyman >>>>>> DeBrusk/ big downgrade” is way off.

You do realize McDavid has been bad this year because of an injury. Hyman has led the team in scoring ( Goals) with no help from McDavid. Also Hyman brings some grit and a nice net front present

 

[McSuper]

Yes DeBrusk benefitted from playing with Marchand and Bergeron. It's why his +/- stats were twice as good as Hyman's. It's why his Corsi was 58% compared to Hyman's 53%. Its why Hyman was on the ice for 75 5 on 5 goals allowed and DeBrusk was on the ice for 26 5 on 5 goals allowed.

So you don't think Boston goalies have anything to do with that ? I guess their defence is on the same level as the Oilers as well?

 

[McJedi]

If you think any GM would trade Ekholm for Debrusk lol keep living in your fantasy world

I think a GM would fully understand DeBrusk and his value. how he’d fit a roster annd the various roles he’d fill. PP and PK included. And not say mindless nonsense like Ekholm is 10x better.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

DeBrusk is probably a better player than Ekholm. He’s certainly having a better season this year.

Different positions obviously but the best players in this trade are, in order, Hyman, Swayman, DeBrusk, Ekholm, Grzelcyk, AHL goalie.

lol Ekholm has more points and as many goals and hes a defenseman. Imagine being so filled with hate for a team that you post stupid crap like this.

 

[wintersej]

So you don't think Boston goalies have anything to do with that ? I guess their defence is on the same level as the Oilers as well?

Defense happens as a six man unit. Even the Leafs learned that last season. Frankly, for the last 15 years Bruins goalies and defenders have probably been overrated and their forwards underrated because they play a structured game with a lot of emphasis on the defensive side of the game.

This season, in a post-Bergeron world, there has been so much more put on the goalies plate than I have seen since Joe Thornton was a Bruin.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don't think Edmonton does this even with their need for a goalie. They also need to improve their defensive play on the blueline, get tougher, and work harder, and this trade makes Kulak a 2nd pair D again, downgrades a lot on the wing for a player who likely will ask for a big raise in the summer.

Change Pickard to Campbell and it gets more palatable for Edmonton. They are still losing the 2 most valuable pieces in the deal (Swayman is great, but goalie value is weird) but at least they get rid of Campbell.

 

[M Ace]

It's usually not the best practice to judge a player based of the crazy outlier season in their long career. He's generally been a 50 point center his whole career

How good was Cam Neely based on his Vancouver career?

 

[Oates2Neely]

How good was Cam Neely based on his Vancouver career?

Neely was 20 years old when the Bruins acquired him. In Vancouver in his 19 yr old season he scored 21 goals/ 39 points in 72 GP. His 3 seasons in Vancouver (ages 18, 19, 20) he averaged point totals in the mid 30’s.

I don’t understand how your question is related here.

 

[Fourier]

You do realize McDavid has been bad this year because of an injury. Hyman has led the team in scoring ( Goals) with no help from McDavid. Also Hyman brings some grit and a nice net front present

This year:

Hyman with RNH 144 minutes 5 vs 5 5.39 pts/60

Hyman with McDavid 123 minutes 5 vs 5 3.4 pts/60

Since joining the Oilers

Hyman with RNH 762 minutes 5 vs 5 2.91 pts/60

Hyman with McDavid 1393 minutes 5 vs 5 2.5 pts/60

But its all about riding shotgun with Connor.

 

[wintersej]

This year:

Hyman with RNH 144 minutes 5 vs 5 5.39 pts/60

Hyman with McDavid 123 minutes 5 vs 5 3.4 pts/60

Since joining the Oilers

Hyman with RNH 762 minutes 5 vs 5 2.91 pts/60

Hyman with McDavid 1393 minutes 5 vs 5 2.5 pts/60

But its all about riding shotgun with Connor.

Hyman has 2035 minutes 5 on 5 with one of Drai and McDavid or both.

And 573 without either.

Cute.

 

[Fourier]

Hyman has 2035 minutes 5 on 5 with one of Drai and McDavid or both.

And 573 without either.

Cute.

And your point is???

 

[Score08]

I don't think the Oilers can afford in any way to downgrade on defense in any pairing. They have to get better in goal, for sure, but also on D.



You realize of course Swayman is the throw-in with any deal concerning Draisaitl.

I’d take sway over drai 6 out of 7 days a week. Drai is a passenger . Shitty attitude, refuses to play defense, doesn’t really produce unless he’s with Mcdaddy .

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I’d take sway over drai 6 out of 7 days a week. Drai is a passenger . Shitty attitude, refuses to play defense, doesn’t really produce unless he’s with Mcdaddy .

you are aware that your favourite team employs Brad Marchand?

 

[TheNumber4]

I’d take sway over drai 6 out of 7 days a week. Drai is a passenger . Shitty attitude, refuses to play defense, doesn’t really produce unless he’s with Mcdaddy .

Hahahaahahah Sway over Drai. Jack Edwards homerism has really got its hold on you.

 

[Cup or Bust]

The Oilers don't need to make any ridiculous trades to get a goalie, they just need to find a solid, goalie that can save over .900 and be reliable. No team is trading Draisaitl for a goalie. Not even Patrick Roy or Hasek were traded for players even close to that good. No goalies ever have the same trade value that elite positional players have.

 

[Score08]

Hahahaahahah Sway over Drai. Jack Edwards homerism has really got its hold on you.

This is the mentality that has gotten the oilers in the position they find themselves, and a big reason they won’t make the playoffs this year.

 

[TheNumber4]

This is the mentality that has gotten the oilers in the position they find themselves, and a big reason they won’t make the playoffs this year.

No it’s not.

 

[Score08]

No it’s not.

Their goalie situation speaks for itself.

 

[TheNumber4]

Their goalie situation speaks for itself.

Goalie sucks so trade league mvp Center. Lol. Okay.

 

[Score08]

Goalie sucks so trade league mvp Center. Lol. Okay.
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Don’t know what to tell you, but your league mvp ain’t bringing you to the playoffs this year, but sway will be a huge reason why the bruins will be.

 

[TheNumber4]

@Score8

Don’t know what to tell you, but your league mvp ain’t bringing you to the playoffs this year, but sway will be a huge reason why the bruins will be.“


Would you have traded Bergeron in his prime for Swayman?

 

[Score08]

@Score8

Don’t know what to tell you, but your league mvp ain’t bringing you to the playoffs this year, but sway will be a huge reason why the bruins will be.“


Would you have traded Bergeron in his prime for Swayman?

No but Bergeron and Drai aren’t comparable. Bergeron was a compete 200’ player that killed penalties, scored, and was your shut down line killer. Drai is pretty one dimensional compared to bergy.