Confirmed Signing with Link: [EDM] Zach Hyman signs with the Oilers (7 years, $5.5M AAV)

[PromisedLand]

Oilers probably got a good dose of Hyman in teh Canadian division; I guess they value his style highly and assume they probably see him keeping his game up for the first 4 years; 5th year as a passanger and 6th/7th year he is probably going to be on LTIR or moved to another team.

Given McDavid/Draisaitl contracts, if Hyman indeed can keep up his play for the first 4 years of the contract I think it is worth it

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Yeah, it was. Edmonton isn't in your division... you're woefully short on picks.

Sure -- in an ideal world, you set the compensation before they get to determine a contract, but once you've ####ed that up, take whatever you can get and talk up a learning lesson. You're out there to improve your team, not hurt the oilers.

There are a number of reasons why you don't budge though. Showing you can't be waited out and cave on your price when you're out-leveraged to try to pull some of that leverage back in.

What if the Leafs want to sign Granlund/other UFA today and the Oilers offer 500K more for that UFA - offering a similar situation (reclamanation, play with elite players - 1 year deal). Will feel silly if that happened and you got paid a 5th and 7th to let that happen. Even if its not super likely - a 5th and 7th isn't much at all, so its not worth the trouble.

 

[Dr Pepper]

So instead of getting something of value for a player who was leaving anyway, Dubas opted to let him walk for nothing?

Ok.

 

[bov]

I could see it looking a bit rough after 3 or 4 years but Hyman is a nice fit on Edmonton. Whether it's alongside McDavid, Draisaitl or even Hopkins, he'll find a way to put up points on top of his solid defensive game. Not that bad of a deal imo, at least until 2025ish at which point the cap should be way higher anyway.

 

[Muffin]

5th and a 7th aren't worth helping Edmonton bring down the AAV. Offer a pick that teams don't regularly wipe their ass with if you want the 8th year.

You know Edmonton is in the West right? Two picks for helping a team you’ll see at most twice a year?

 

[Three On Zero]

Yeah, it was. Edmonton isn't in your division... you're woefully short on picks.

Sure -- in an ideal world, you set the compensation before they get to determine a contract, but once you've ####ed that up, take whatever you can get and talk up a learning lesson. You're out there to improve your team, not hurt the oilers.

Dubas likely sees Edmonton as competition, so why give them the option for a lower AAV. He wants Edmonton to take the higher cap hit

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Holland is obviously planning on winning the cup within the next 3-4 years.

They should sign Coleman too. Give him 8 years and another NMC.

 

[Icarium]

A guy with 5 goals in 32 playoff games is somehow just the winger the Oilers need to start winning playoff series. You better hope he pulls a Hornqvist but there is a lot of risk in this move.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

If he lands on the 3rd line this contract is bad starting in year 1. This is a contract given to top 6 forwards

Considering he was playing on the top 2 lines in Toronto, he will be on the Oilers who are not deep on the wing. The point was, he can play anywhere, and usually makes any line instantly better.

If Goodrow is making 3.6, and Coleman is asking for 6M, this seems to be the going rate for a player like Hyman. I am not saying the deal is great, just that it is market value.

 

[HanSolo]

I don't care about Ken Holland. I will let people like you moan about how terrible he is all day. I am more concerned about the Oilers improving their team.

Then...you should probably care about Ken Holland..

 

[Muffin]

Dubas likely sees Edmonton as competition, so why give them the option for a lower AAV. He wants Edmonton to take the higher cap hit

Competition as in a team you see twice a year and literally can’t play in the playoffs until the finals?

 

[Bood12]

brutal

 

[Cup or Bust]

Then...you should probably care about Ken Holland..

I have no choice who the Oilers GM is so sitting online and moaning about it all day won't change a thing. Hyman improves the team, so let's see what else the Oilers do, that is all I care about.

 

[seanlinden]

There are a number of reasons why you don't budge though. Showing you can't be waited out and cave on your price when you're out-leveraged to try to pull some of that leverage back in.

What if the Leafs want to sign Granlund/other UFA today and the Oilers offer 500K more for that UFA - offering a similar situation (reclamanation, play with elite players - 1 year deal). Will feel silly if that happened and you got paid a 5th and 7th to let that happen. Even if its not super likely - a 5th and 7th isn't much at all, so its not worth the trouble.

That's just a stubborn, shortsighted approach.... you establish leverage by learning your lesson -- nad in the future -- approaching it like this?

Dubas: You're interested in Zach Hyman?
Holland: Yes.
Dubas: Great -- here's the deal -- I'll give you permission to talk to him, but if you sign him, it's a 4th round pick.
Holland: I'll pay a 6th.
Dubas: Ok, no problem, try your luck on July 28. Detroit and XXX will be talking to him this week, and showing the commitment to him by coming to a deal with us.

 

[BLNY]

A lot of years for a cap number that's questionable.

 

[ManofSteel55]

In free agency, you overpay. In either term, or salary. Compared to some other contracts signed recently, I would say that in terms of salary, this isn't really an overpay. In term it is. I'll take an extra year or two over a bigger cap hit. I just hope he holds up for 4 or 5 years.

 

[seanlinden]

Dubas likely sees Edmonton as competition, so why give them the option for a lower AAV. He wants Edmonton to take the higher cap hit

Leafs need to worry about getting to the finals before figuring that they might face Edmonton there.

 

[Three On Zero]

Competition as in a team you see twice a year and literally can’t play in the playoffs until the finals?

Competition is still competition, just because you don’t play each other often doesn’t mean you help the other guy succeed

 

[JAK]

The Hyman signing could be as bad as those signings but it is not a guarantee. All we can do is take it year by year

It is ridiculous to say it is guaranteed to be bad.

Look at the salary and bonus structure at the last 3 years. Even the team and agent doesn't think Hyman will last all 7 years.

This is cap circumvention 2.0

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Term and money is high on both ends, but Hyman is going to provide a dynamic to the team they didn't have before. Leafs unfortunately lose a heart and soul player, and Edmonton gains one who will give it his all. So long as he doesn't get hit with frequent injuries, which is a concern with his style of play. Oilers fans will love him.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Does bonus structure included imply that if Toronto had sign and traded, as Holland offered a 6th round pick for, that Toronto wouldn’t have been on the hook for the signing bonus?

A bonus can be on any day and nope.

It's not exactly a signing bonus but a lump sum on an agreed day between the two parties.

Toronto likes to do it from the start which let's them pay the bonus and then get a better deal from a small market team.


Honestly also I'm 50/50 on this deal. He wanted to make the bag and he was getting 5+ with his numbers. First 3 should be fine and then you hope the cap going up helps him.

 

[HanSolo]

I have no choice who the Oilers GM is so sitting online and moaning about it all day won't change a thing. Hyman improves the team, so let's see what else the Oilers do, that is all I care about.

Maybe but that's a shit contract for a pretty minimal improvement

 

[Fire Sweeney]

Holland is obviously planning on winning the cup within the next 3-4 years.

They should sign Coleman too. Give him 8 years and another NMC.

Maybe he can sign Darren Helm since the horrible contract he signed him to half a decade ago just ended.

 

[bsu]

Holy shit lol

 

[MaxDummy]

When you look at the Oilers of the last 15 years you can't tell me with a straight face that an everday fan would of done a worse job.

Truly mindboggling