Confirmed Signing with Link: [EDM] Darnell Nurse signs extension with the Oilers (8 years, $9.25M AAV) PART II

[Zerotonine]

Nurse doesn't even look full nurse yet.

100 percent, guy is 26 and still filling out. I think in a couple years esp when cap starts to move this deal will like the draisaitl deal be a steal

 

[DeltaSwede]

Using the word "steal" in terms of this contract is just as rich as Nurse just became. Or maybe as silly as Holland was for signing this albatross of a deal.

Absolute massive hit for an albeit very good but not elite defensemen.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

"What, did you want him to play for free?" - Ken Holland

 

[Potrzebie]

Serious question......

Has there ever been a player retire leaving money on the table?

Hell, I think some have even played in the AHL to ensure the eked out the last dollar of their contract.

I don't see anyone walking away from millions, for any reason.

But, that's just me......

Byfuglien did.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Nurse is an inbetweener,

Hes not great defensively, and hes not great great offensively,

He is a 2,3,4 Dman

You cant pay those guys 9.25 mil a year.

5 pts in 21 playoff games

Doesnt even play the PP1

Nurse bent over Edmonton because he knows Edmonton wasnt going to let him walk.

He made them pay for bridging him 2x...He got paid and took no discount and did not care about Edmonton's depth or cap! Great for him!

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Nurse definitely bent over Edmonton. No hometown discount here. I don't think he cares much to win a cup, he just wanted max value for him, that's it.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Nurse definitely bent over Edmonton. No hometown discount here. I don't think he cares much to win a cup, he just wanted max value for him, that's it.

Which is why he is going to be public enemy #1 and scapegoat if his level of play is closer to pre covid Nurse vs Nurse during the bubble seasons.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Which is why he is going to be public enemy #1 and scapegoat if his level of play is closer to pre covid Nurse vs Nurse during the bubble seasons.

And the fact Nurse pretty much spent his entire interview talking about himself and his family is deeply concerning. He knows that his contract greatly handicaps his teams chance at building a contender, on an already handicapped team.

 

[ReddestRum]

And the fact Nurse pretty much spent his entire interview talking about himself and his family is deeply concerning. He knows that his contract greatly handicaps his teams chance at building a contender, on an already handicapped team.

Played decent last season - Check.
Got paid - Check.
Thinks about himself and his family - Check.

HFB = This guy is a POS because the front office (according to some) can't negotiate the true worth of a player, when in reality the cap increases and Nurse could potentially become a steal later on. Still a POS though, amirite?

 

[Mr Positive]

Played decent last season - Check.
Got paid - Check.
Thinks about himself and his family - Check.

HFB = This guy is a POS because the front office (according to some) can't negotiate the true worth of a player, when in reality the cap increases and Nurse could potentially become a steal later on. Still a POS though, amirite?

It's just outside fans stretching any type of logic that let's them bash Oilers

 

[MattMartin]

7th in Norris voting means what? 3 people voted for him?

The real question is....What's Fox now worth since he won it? 18/19 mil?

 

[Paper]

Nurse definitely bent over Edmonton. No hometown discount here. I don't think he cares much to win a cup, he just wanted max value for him, that's it.

While I'm sure someone like yourself has refused pay raises and promotions for the sake of your business right? Lol.

Anyone blaming a guy for fighting for the most money possible is a hypocrite and doesn't understand the real world. Blame Holland for giving him this insane contract, not Nurse for signing it.

 

[zar]

There is not an Oiler fan, that at the beginning of the 20/21 season, who would have ever green lighted a $9.25 x 8 contract. You would have been laughed off the site. You would have called for Holland's head. But now, 9 months later, under odd circumstances, circumstances that played into Doc's hands, he's worth it?

Like 9 months ago, I figured he was worth $7-7.5mm on a long term deal, and that would have been on the high side. His one year has not swung the needle that much to justify that deal in my opinion.

100%... to be fair how many fans, of the teams that signed the player, saw Jones @ $9.5m, Hamilton @ $9m, Werenski @ $9.583m, Makar @ $9m (half of those RFA years) or Heiskanen @ $8.45m (more than half of the contract are RFA years, in no state income tax state)... if that's what it took them to sign contracts in those cities, how much do you think it would cost for the Oilers to sign any of those players?


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Disclaimer (and I will be adding this to every post I add in this thread):
Nurse is being over paid by $1.25m AAV in my opinion. I defend this contract because he is a high end talent and he is being signed by the Edmonton Oilers, a city that is one of the least desirable locations (travel, city lifestyle, weather, income tax) in the NHL. It is all 8 UFA years.
To be clear, I in no way defend the Ceci and Hyman contracts.
What are the Oilers to do?

• Trade Nurse for a lesser Dman then hear the "LOL! Oilers going to Oiler... they have a #1Dman and let him walk for next to nothing"?
• Play Keith a Ceci on their top pairing the year following trading Nurse?
  • or may play Broberg and Bouchard on their top pairing?
  • or Overpay (as they always have to) to pay some other UFA?

Anyone bringing Makar and Heiskanen into this argument are talking apples and oranges, since half of they new contracts are RFA years.

 

[5 14 6 1]

Nurse is an inbetweener,

Hes not great defensively, and hes not great great offensively,

He is a 2,3,4 Dman

You cant pay those guys 9.25 mil a year.

5 pts in 21 playoff games

Doesnt even play the PP1

Nurse bent over Edmonton because he knows Edmonton wasnt going to let him walk.

He made them pay for bridging him 2x...He got paid and took no discount and did not care about Edmonton's depth or cap! Great for him!

This couldnt be further from the truth lol

 

[lightstorm]

Nurse's offensive game is completely overblown.

75% of his goals were against back ups and third-string goalies, he scored 2 against Markstrom, one against Price and one against Halley. Thats it, measly 4 goals against legit starters make you an offensive dynamo apparently.

A bulk of his offensive output was against Ottawa, while that team was going through the worst stretch in the franchise history.

Good luck repeating that next season, Darnell.

BTW one has to wonder how Nurses's contract sits with Draisaitl.

 

[majormajor]

Nurse bent over Edmonton because he knows Edmonton wasnt going to let him walk.

Putting it that way you could say why didn't he ask for $10m? or $11m?

He bent over Edmonton because he knew and they knew he was getting $9m from somewhere. Them or elsewhere.

 

[zar]

Nurse's offensive game is completely overblown.

75% of his goals were against back ups and third-string goalies, he scored 2 against Markstrom, one against Price and one against Halley. Thats it, measly 4 goals against legit starters make you an offensive dynamo apparently.

A bulk of his offensive output was against Ottawa, while that team was going through the worst stretch in the franchise history.

Good luck repeating that next season, Darnell.

BTW one has to wonder how Nurses's contract sits with Draisaitl.

I gusss a streaking Jack Campbell (not a top goalie, but he did play very well for most of last year and Nurse scored on him in the middle of Campbell's 11 game win streak), Thatcher Demko and Connor Hellebuyck are backup and 3rd string goalies now? ... yes, he did score against all of those goalies too.

If all the goalies in the North were that bad then why couldn't your team score any goals?

EDIT: I see you did say "Halley", meaning Hellebuyck...but still... you could knock half of the starting goalies in every division.

 

[JAK]

If it was a 8 years $7m deal or a 6 years $8m deal. I don't think this would get to page 13 on a part 2 thread.

Might still make it to a page 13 part 1 thread though.

And that is the core of the issue of this contract.

 

[Mr Positive]

If it was a 8 years $7m deal or a 6 years $8m deal. I don't think this would get to page 13 on a part 2 thread.

Might still make it to a page 13 part 1 thread though.

And that is the core of the issue of this contract.

sure, the contract is an issue, but 7 million is totally unreasonable for a D like Nurse. Everyone who really knows this player said he should get something like 8-8.75 AAV for 8 years.

I do think he is overpaid on his deal, but there is talk about the cap making big leaps in a few years. Most of us Oiler fans feel Nurse still has more to show yet too. (well lol what else can we do but root for him now?)

 

[Connor McConnor]

I’m now starting to realize how Toronto fans on HF feel like lmao. This is actually ridiculous.

We get it. Edmonton fans will tell you he’s overpaid too. Just like 80% of all deals in this league.

For all you that are uneducated, please know this, teams that have no tax, vibrant/metropolitan cities will ALWAYS be preferable. Anyone else has to overpay just to compete.

 

[Holymakinaw]

It's a brutal contract but I like Nurse. I think he can be a good one.

It's kinda like Mitch Marner.......overpaid by maybe 1.5-2M but tons of talent and potential. Now Nurse just has to deliver like Marner does. (In the regular season, at least. )

 

[slurpee addict]

I think I see the issue here. You think last year was a one-off. Unfortunately, that doesn't matter much, as we've seen guys time and time again get a huge pay day a year after one big season. Nurse was bound to be an exception.

You are correct in thinking that no Oilers fan would have touched a 9M deal for Nurse before last season. That's because no Oilers fans would have expected Nurse to emerge as a top 10 defenseman. That's not just due to circumstances, if you watched him play last year, you saw how dominant he was at both ends of the ice. You can't just ignore a break out season for a player and use that to determine his value, that's not how it works.

I get you like Nurse, and he had an improved season last year. I'd only offer that it was in a bit of a false environment. I watched all the North games last year, and there is no doubt that it was easily the worst division, and all defensemen looked better than they actually were. I hope for your sake you're correct and Nurse continues to improve, but I'll be shocked if that is the case. I think he and the team will be more exposed overall. As will all the north teams.

 

[Bank Shot]

Nurse's offensive game is completely overblown.

75% of his goals were against back ups and third-string goalies, he scored 2 against Markstrom, one against Price and one against Halley. Thats it, measly 4 goals against legit starters make you an offensive dynamo apparently.

A bulk of his offensive output was against Ottawa, while that team was going through the worst stretch in the franchise history.

Good luck repeating that next season, Darnell.

BTW one has to wonder how Nurses's contract sits with Draisaitl.

Why does Draisaitl care? Its not like he left any dollars on the table. Everyone said he was overpaid when he signed his deal.

Do you think in Leon's world, that NHL salaries were to be frozen in time for the 8 year duration of his contract?

I'm sure after 4 years he is going to get a hefty raise.

 

[McFlash97]

The real question is....What's Fox now worth since he won it? 18/19 mil?

Adam Fox with the same statline wouldn't even sniff the Norris in the West

Its the Eastern homer media personnel that got him his Norris.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Adam Fox with the same statline wouldn't even sniff the Norris in the West

Its the Eastern homer media personnel that got him his Norris.

Lol!