Proposal: Eberle to Islanders

[underdog]

We already lost Halls 25 goals now Oiler fans want to ship out Eberle and his 25 goals? Our right wing depth is horrible and expecting a 4th overalll pick to slot in as our solution is not the answer.

 

[OutForMilk]

Is that the narrative now? That Chiarelli preferred Larsson over Hamonic? Are you sure it has nothing to do with reports that Snow wasn't willing to part with Hamonic for Hall?

I could care less about the "narrative". We aren't trading for Hamonic anytime soon. That's a fact.

 

[Konk]

I could care less about the "narrative". We aren't trading for Hamonic anytime soon. That's a fact.

I... I'm sorry, when did PW say otherwise?

 

[McFlyingV]

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/20...d-be-exempt-from-the-2017-nhl-expansion-draft

A good read as to why Manta (and Pulock) should be exempt in expansion. If Pulock is exempt, then the Isles can use that spot on de Haan. Just FYI since you keep harping on 'losing him for nothing'.

I'll give it a read. I figured you'd leave him unprotected with Pulock on the way, but maybe I'm wrong and you'd rather expose one of your top 6 forwards/3rd line C.

The vast majority of Oiler fans on this board spent the better part of the season talking down to Isles fans regarding Hamonic's value and how they didn't want him anyway because of his lack of offense. Funny thing, all of that.

Davidson played similarly in terms of CF/60, CA/60, and CD/60, but not production/60. De Haan is the better all-around D at this point.

Alright and that wasn't me so I'm not sure why you keep speaking of Oilers fans as a whole. The majority of Oilers fans don't even post on the main boards.

As for that I won't argue that, Davidson was basically a #7 to start the year and developed a ton throughout the year. Being his rookie season, I'd expect him to improve. Even if you think de Haan is a better player, why do we give up Eberle, our best producing RWer for a slight upgrade on D when we're just going to have to piss away either him or Davidson to Vegas?

[MOD]

 

[OutForMilk]

I'd still trade Eberle for Hamonic.

I know it would leave the right side quite bare but it would also leave the Oilers with a very reliable blueline. Not a ton of offence but it would be effective at regaining possession and getting the puck onto McDavid's stick.

We just paid a big price for a reliable dman, but we still don't have a puck mover. IMO, that's our only glaring need left. No big assets are leaving for anything that isn't exactly that.

 

[OutForMilk]

I... I'm sorry, when did PW say otherwise?

That's how I respond to condescending posts like that one. I re state my point, and that's it. My point wasn't about any "narratives".

 

[Axel]

No trade to be made with Islander posters, they are satisfied with their team. None of their Dmen are available and there is only 1 forward I would be interested in and I wouldn't even dare mention his name in a trade thread.

Multiple Islander fans on this thread have said that de Haan and a 1st round pick might be an option. Not sure where you see that Islander posters are saying none of their defenseman are available.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

I hear that the makers of Rainman, the movie, went back and forth between "Judge Wapner" and "Eberle for Hamonic."

Just saying.

 

[Konk]

Alright and that wasn't me so I'm not sure why you keep speaking of Oilers fans as a whole. The majority of Oilers fans don't even post on the main boards.

As for that I won't argue that, Davidson was basically a #7 to start the year and developed a ton throughout the year. Being his rookie season, I'd expect him to improve. Even if you think de Haan is a better player, why do we give up Eberle, our best producing RWer for a slight upgrade on D when we're just going to have to piss away either him or Davidson to Vegas?

If that wasn't you, fine, but don't act like there wasn't a cascading avalanche of Oiler fans pissing on Hamonic's value only to be smacked by reality.

I don't want the Oilers to give up Eberle for anything. Keep him, please.

[MOD]

 

[zar]

Multiple Islander fans on this thread have said that de Haan and a 1st round pick might be an option. Not sure where you see that Islander posters are saying none of their defenseman are available.

My apologies then... I was under the impression (based on reading other threads) the Islanders were not willing to trade any of their D. de Haan looks like a solid #4 LH defensive D who is not opposed to physical play.

If I am off on my assessment... I'll be honest, I have not seen him play much... I don't catch many NYI games and even those I do catch I have not focused on him.

If I am accurate in my assessment then I think he sounds very comparable to Brandon Davidson and would not fit a need of the Oilers. We are OK on the left side and we need a offensive PM D. Also, I would not want Boychuk's contract... I like Boychuk, I don't mind his cap hit... I don't like the term. Truly only Hamonic would make sense for the Oilers and I am very clear on the fact he is not available.

 

[seafoam]

Don't think Edmonton moves him unless D is coming back.

Don't think many teams move D if Eberle is coming back.

 

[IslesNorway]

Eberle for DeHaan is probably fairly close in value but Eberle makes $6 million and CdH 1.9. Big difference as the Isles are close to the cap

 

[LeapOnOver]

The vast majority of Oiler fans on this board spent the better part of the season talking down to Isles fans regarding Hamonic's value and how they didn't want him anyway because of his lack of offense. Funny thing, all of that.

Davidson played similarly in terms of CF/60, CA/60, and CD/60, but not production/60. De Haan is the better all-around D at this point.


[MOD]

I wouldn't say that's fair. Yes, there were several fans doing that just like there were several fans trashing the value of Eberle, RNH et. al and their lack of winning and defensive acumen. The majority slightly over value their own players like every team does. To be fair, it was just a minority on both sides that went crazy bashing the others.

I'll never forget the one nut job who told me that Hamonic would just be battling with Reinhart for the 6/7th defense spot. That was absurd. I don't think most Oiler fans would echo that sentiment. At least I hope not.

 

[LaF16]

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/20...d-be-exempt-from-the-2017-nhl-expansion-draft

A good read as to why Manta (and Pulock) should be exempt in expansion. If Pulock is exempt, then the Isles can use that spot on de Haan. Just FYI since you keep harping on 'losing him for nothing'.

PW we need the cat picture again

 

[belair]

Extraneous circumstances and you know it.

Hamilton - threat of offer sheet.

Leddy - cap constraints.

If you're counting on those situations to reoccur, good luck.

You mean like the expansion draft? And it's not like cap constraints are exactly a rarity these days as well.

Come on, man. If you're thinking the Hall trade is the gold standard for what defensemen are valued at today, prepare to be supremely disappointed in the coming months.

And the word you were looking for was 'extenuating'.

 

[Connor]

A easy "NO" from the Islanders. Don't want Eberle at all. Not to mention, wouldn't give up that much either.

If Eberle and McDavid stay healthy-ish all season, Eberle gets 40.

 

[Avenger*]

De Haan does nothing for Edmonton. I feel like a broken record having to repeat myself that Edmonton has no use for left shot d-men outside of the obvious that would never come back in a deal for Eberle.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

I think the OP is fair for both sides and would benefit both teams. Get Chairelli and Snow on the line.

Klefbom, De-Haan, Sekera is a great group of LHD.

Larsson, ?, Fayne could be a great group of RHD depending on that ?.

 

[aemoreira1981]

The Oilers would have to likely offer up Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for a player from the Islanders, and they'd be looking at Travis Hamonic in all likelihood, as he's signed through 2020 and is a right-handed shooting defenseman. The problem is that a team can only protect three defensemen in the next expansion draft, and Larsson and Sekera are likely two of those three (the Oilers might very well lose Darnell Nurse in the expansion draft). This might be a trade to consider next offseason, but not this one.

 

[Konk]

You mean like the expansion draft? And it's not like cap constraints are exactly a rarity these days as well.

Can you give an example where the expansion draft resulted in a devaluation of a player? Or is there no precedent?

Fact is, you cherry picked two examples that had several limiting factors invovled for the selling teams. They were not the norm.

Come on, man. If you're thinking the Hall trade is the gold standard for what defensemen are valued at today, prepare to be supremely disappointed in the coming months.

Did I say it was the gold standard, or just a recent example of low supply, high demand? I don't know if you've noticed, but there aren't a whole lot of top 4 defenseman that hit the market. Let alone young and with term.

And the word you were looking for was 'extenuating'.

Fat-fingered the wrong selection in autocorrect. Sue me.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

You're bang on about him not filling into your salary structure but completely fantasizing if you think Ho-Sang is anywhere near the type of player Jordan Eberle is today. He's not even a year removed from sleeping in on day one of training camp and has a laundry list of character issues to overcome before even considering how far behind he is offensively at the NHL level.

I never said he was anywhere near the type of player Eberle is today. I said he can fill that spot, but I never said he would have the same impact. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Plus, he got a clean slate this year from the incident last year. He had a great prospect camp.

 

[PWJunior]

If Eberle and McDavid stay healthy-ish all season, Eberle gets 40.

Why stop at 40, why not 50? Give me a break.

Eberle has a career high of 34 goals, a season which he shot an unsustainable 18.9%. Hasn't hit 30 since and all of a sudden, he's going to hit 40? I understand McDavid is an uber talent, but you're dreaming here. If Eberle scored 40 goals, he would likely be top-5 in the entire NHL.

 

[CupHolders]

I think Eberle is offensively talented, but with some deficiencies in his overall game. However, those flaws have been overblown.

Interestingly, I have always viewed PAP as a poor man's Eberle. But relatively speaking, more playmaking to goal scoring ratio for PAP. But PAP is paid 1.25m; and should be good for 45-60pts with Tavares.

For these reasons it may not be prudent for the Isles to pursue Eberle unless Oilers take back a contract. Oiler reasons for not trading Eberle to the Isles have already been documented by Oiler fans better than I could.

Either way both Isles and Oiler fans should just back away from the vitriol incited by the Hamonic threads.

 

[Yashin for President]

We already robbed the Oilers by drafting Barzal. Barzal is more or less a younger version of Eberle. Eberle is a stud no doubt, its actually pretty sad that he is even mentioned in any trade to any team. I wouldn't trade him.

 

[CodeE]

Reality, in which dangling one of your top trade assets in Hall only to get back Larsson, it's just not a very nice thing for Oilers fans. Similar to where they finish in the standings, it's better to spin the same narrative and ignore factual evidence. So let's all just pretend the Hall trade never happened and go back to telling people that they'll need to overpay steeply to get any asset on Edmonton, who is worth their weight in gold.

Took Oiler fans a couple days to turn on Hall after the trade. If Eberle gets moved for a top-4 defenseman like Dehaan I wonder how long it'll take for Oiler fans to turn on Jordan? My best guess is 3 seconds.